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To think that Trump is not going to honor any agreement about Ukraine

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FancyRedRobin · 27/02/2025 13:34

I'm seeing that Starmer is going over to say to Trump that he should offer security guarantees with the deal with Ukraine.

I just don't believe that Trump or America will honor any agreement made.

And what consequences can we leverage on them to make them do so? I'm not sure there enough levers to do so.

We've allowed them to have an outsize influence on world affairs and now the tiger is eating our face.

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UnderHisEeyore · 28/02/2025 19:06

Potsofpetals · 28/02/2025 19:05

Estonia is a nato member. Russia wouldn’t dare

Is that the NATO Trump keeps threatening and the one the the German President want to bypass and create an EU version of, because of Trump?

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2025 19:05

Potsofpetals · 28/02/2025 19:05

Estonia is a nato member. Russia wouldn’t dare

Watch them.

Potsofpetals · 28/02/2025 19:05

UnderHisEeyore · 28/02/2025 18:58

Unless they both drill and rob it's resources and US allows Russia to do it again, so again they can both raid natural resources...Estonia is currently self sufficient in resources and comes compete with a 300 mile border with Russia.

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Estonia is a nato member. Russia wouldn’t dare

UnderHisEeyore · 28/02/2025 18:58

NotTerfNorCis · 28/02/2025 18:54

What I'm wondering is, is this what Trump wanted, or is he just an utter moron?

If Russia overwhelms Ukraine, the US won't get its minerals and it won't get the money it thinks it's owed.

Unless they both drill and rob it's resources and US allows Russia to do it again, so again they can both raid natural resources...Estonia is currently self sufficient in resources and comes compete with a 300 mile border with Russia.

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2025 18:55

hamstersarse · 28/02/2025 14:17

How would I know?
Mainly because he’s got a deal?

I know that with all your emotion you want Trump to fail, but the truth is that all the other leaders have failed to bring about peace. They barely even tried.

Saying that he didn’t need to bring Z down a peg or 2 tells me you definitely don’t understand the dynamic that was needed to do a deal

I really hope you’re eating your words now - and they taste as awful as I anticipate.

NotTerfNorCis · 28/02/2025 18:54

What I'm wondering is, is this what Trump wanted, or is he just an utter moron?

If Russia overwhelms Ukraine, the US won't get its minerals and it won't get the money it thinks it's owed.

UnderHisEeyore · 28/02/2025 18:53

@edwinbear Yes firmly in the middle. I think Brexit was a precursor to this to be honest and the Tories decided to side with Trump and Putin over EU.

It's going to be Estonia next I suspect.

edwinbear · 28/02/2025 18:52

@UnderHisEeyore yes, that actually does make sense. Does it leave the UK in a difficult position now? I’m no Starmer fan, but he played his cards right yesterday (uncomfortable as it was watching the sucking up). Are we now stuck in the middle?

wholettheturnipsburn · 28/02/2025 18:49

edwinbear · 28/02/2025 18:43

There is no way those discussions should have been broadcast to the world. It was always going to be heated, far better behind closed doors. Putin must be loving watching that shit show.

And an invite to TASS. Putin will be loving this

UnderHisEeyore · 28/02/2025 18:47

edwinbear · 28/02/2025 18:43

There is no way those discussions should have been broadcast to the world. It was always going to be heated, far better behind closed doors. Putin must be loving watching that shit show.

That is exactly why it was broadcast to the world - showing Zelensky as weak and uncompromising, dressed like a baddy in a movie.
*not what I believe but what they wanted to portray.
I'll just keep reminding everyone Putin and Trump are in on this together as profiteers...

edwinbear · 28/02/2025 18:43

There is no way those discussions should have been broadcast to the world. It was always going to be heated, far better behind closed doors. Putin must be loving watching that shit show.

OneLemonDog · 28/02/2025 18:38

Panterusblackish · 28/02/2025 18:33

Swiftly and with style

She probably would have aligned with him in calling Zelenski a dictator, much in the same way she denounced the ANC as a terrorist organization.

Crikeyalmighty · 28/02/2025 18:33

@StrawberryWater obviously a fair few it or he was indeed in the pay of the KGB for a time- as was rumoured this week

Panterusblackish · 28/02/2025 18:33

MichaelandKirk · 27/02/2025 22:38

Wonder how Margaret Thatcher would have dealt with Trump?

Swiftly and with style

NameChanges123 · 28/02/2025 18:32

@Panterusblackish: "It's ridiculous that Trump was saying that Biden was too old for office and yet he barely seems to know what's going on. "

It's funny, that, because the last few times I heard T*p talking (don't even want to type out his shitty name), I didn't think he sounded quite 'all there'...

Violashifts · 28/02/2025 18:31

@Sahara123
I know. Actually liked his answer.

Panterusblackish · 28/02/2025 18:28

It's ridiculous that Trump was saying that Biden was too old for office and yet he barely seems to know what's going on.

Trump and Vance might as well both bend over the desk in the oval office and let Putin take them up the arse.

Europe needs to distance itself from the US as soon as possible. I'd like to see the UK rejoin in the EU in a giant fuck you to Putin as no doubt he danced a merry jig when we left.

I feel for moderate Americans, but the USA are with the bad guys these days. This is the second time Trump has been voted in. The man is an impeached rapist who tried to overthrow democracy, the American public knew what they were getting and yet still they voted him In.

America is a joke led by a pair of prize cunts.

My heart bleeds for Ukraine

Sahara123 · 28/02/2025 18:28

Violashifts · 28/02/2025 18:10

Why isn't he wearing a suit? Ffs!!!

What’s that got to do with anything?

Sahara123 · 28/02/2025 18:27

Good grief what a pair of bullies , this is disgraceful

StrawberryWater · 28/02/2025 18:23

Trump is just insane.

He accused Zelensky of harbouring “tremendous hatred” for Putin and said that made it harder to “make a deal” to end the war.

How many pee videos does Putin have?

Crikeyalmighty · 28/02/2025 18:15

Any of the usual mumsnet right wing guard- you should be ashamed at your support for this pair of infantile narcissists with zero diplomacy skills and a very big whiff of the school bully.

Quite clearly to me they have been got at by Putin who is I feel threatening with 'something' coming out if it doesn't all go his way.

I may not 100% agree with a democrat agenda that seemed to go a bit 'woke' for want of a better word at times, but I would much rather that than these sub James Bond villains - both of whom seem off their heads on something

StrawberryWater · 28/02/2025 18:14

Potsofpetals · 28/02/2025 18:12

Can someone explain what Zelenskyy was trying to say about a deal he signed. I couldn’t hear him with those twats shouting over him

Think it was the ceasefire agreement with Putin which Putin quickly broke.

Potsofpetals · 28/02/2025 18:12

Can someone explain what Zelenskyy was trying to say about a deal he signed. I couldn’t hear him with those twats shouting over him

Violashifts · 28/02/2025 18:10

Trump telling him off like a naughty kid.

Violashifts · 28/02/2025 18:10

Why isn't he wearing a suit? Ffs!!!