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To be annoyed at the new tax brackets?

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Justbrowsing2024 · 26/02/2025 19:44

Means myself and lots of people I know will need to pay 40% tax. The new thresholds being lowered means we will be worse off at a time when everything is going up. I know it's only on a proportion of salary but it's a proportion that was going towards the increase in mortgage (due to come off an amazing low rate), imminent increase in childcare fees, council tax and everything else.
I know it's affecting so many people but today I have felt really flat.

I'm not anywhere near the top of the threshold (£45500 salary) and unlikely to get a payrise.
I'm sure tomorrow will feel brighter but feel free to join my pity party

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rainbowunicorn · 26/02/2025 23:36

Merryoldgoat · 26/02/2025 19:56

You honestly think that they’ll just increase tax by £400 a month for a load of people without warning?

I’m starting to understand what it means when people quote the average reading age being 10 in The UK.

Absolutely. It is worrying that there is such a poor level of comprehension.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 26/02/2025 23:25

How are you paying 40% tax if you earn £45500? ... not according to government website

m00rfarm · 26/02/2025 23:24

I honestly don't believe that those who thought this was a 12k decrease actually earn enough money to have been caught up in it.

Redburnett · 26/02/2025 23:19

Does OP seriously think if the thresholds had changed that much it would not have been big national news?

fashionqueen0123 · 26/02/2025 23:14

PandoraSox · 26/02/2025 20:29

Didn't any of you think it odd there was no mention in the media of a massive tax hike?

Edited

Or check the previous year on the webpage and see it was the same 🙈

fashionqueen0123 · 26/02/2025 23:05

Merryoldgoat · 26/02/2025 19:53

I honestly don’t understand how people can be believing this shit.

And earning those wages!! Scary

YouDeserveBetterSoAskForIt · 26/02/2025 23:02

Wow. I am pretty disgusted by some of the comments here.

There's many, many reasons why this topic can be confusing and stressful for some people.

It doesn't make them stupid or dumb or illiterate.

Honestly, how nasty.

I guarantee there's many things some of you find extremely difficult that others find easy. I hope no one sneers at you, when you are struggling.

Musicaltheatremum · 26/02/2025 22:59

I can see where op got confused. It does read as an awful increase if you don't read it slowly and in context, but honestly there would have been an outcry had it been true.

My husband's tax code dropped dramatically when he got his state pension because they had to take all the tax from his private pension as there is not a mechanism to tax the state pension. So he gets his state pension tax free but his other pensions he gets no allowance on one and only a couple of thousand on the other.

latetothefisting · 26/02/2025 22:52

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 26/02/2025 19:54

It's been quoted that way for as long as I can remember. People's basic tax free amount can change this just ensures that the increases in tax happen at the right intervals to that not set amounts.

yes, I remember having to double check it a few years ago because of the way it was worded.
key point - I thought 'this sounds a bit off, let me check I understand'
rather than running to social media DECLARING something had happened and would be 'affecting so many people.'

i.e. anyone can be forgiven for initially making a mistake or not understanding something, but surely the first step is to double check you are correct, not start moaning and fear mongering about something you don't understand....

didn't you think it would be all over the news, people would have mentioned it in real life, etc.?

Musicaltheatremum · 26/02/2025 22:50

Sunbeam18 · 26/02/2025 20:37

Feel sorry for us in Scotland where the 40% rate does indeed start at £45k

Yes it's awful. It's 42% and at just under £44k and services are awful.

PandaTime · 26/02/2025 22:38

@NewJobityJob I can see this is pickling your brain. See if this makes sense for you -

(For simplicity, let's say you earn exactly £46k and MI is exactly £5k.)

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John earns £51k per year (£46k plus £5k). His tax code is the standard 1257L.

This means he pays 20% tax on earnings from £12,571 to £50,270 and 40% tax on earnings from £50,271 to £125,100.

On a salary of £51k, he would be taxed:
20% on £37,699 (£50,270-£12,571)
40% on £729 (£51,000-£50,270)

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You earn £46k and receive £5k of medical insurance.

Your tax code is reduced by £5k to 757L.

This means you pay 20% tax on earnings from £7571 to £45,270 and 40% tax on earnings from £45,271 to £120,100.

On a salary of £46k, this means you are taxed:
20% on £37,699 (£45,270-£7,571)
40% on £729 (£46,000-£45,271)

It is exactly the same. 🤗

juggleit · 26/02/2025 22:35

AtomicBlondeRose · 26/02/2025 19:55

The key phrase here is “above the PAYE threshold”…that’s what people haven’t clocked.

I also understand the confusion - vipers nest on here tonight 😩

Xenia · 26/02/2025 22:25

Loads and loads of people opt out of employer medical insurance and even pension contributions because they want more net pay.
The other issue is freezing of when people start to pay 40% despite inflation so more and more people have an upper rate of 40% plus 2% NI. That is very very high a tax rate for a country so highly taxed in so many other ways.

0ohLarLar · 26/02/2025 22:21

From 2025 it's 40% on > £37k dropped from £50k

No, it isnt. At ease.

jcyclops · 26/02/2025 22:19

Justbrowsing2024 · 26/02/2025 20:27

Work colleagues, quite a few to be honest so they all thought the same. I will be happy to report back

When you get back to them, also tell them they will not get their state pension at age 60, but up to 7 years later.

Vaxtable · 26/02/2025 22:19

Theimpossiblegirl · 26/02/2025 19:51

I got this and didn't recall hearing about changes beforehand. It's actually pretty shit.

@Theimpossiblegirl

you have the first £12570 at 0% then the next £37k and 20% etc

the tax brackets have not changed

rockstarshoes · 26/02/2025 22:13

So are you suggesting that companies should ignore tax law?

No absolutely not! Think they should change the tax law to give everyone a tax break on Employers providing private medical insurance!

It just seems like a win win!

Employees get treated quicker better for them, better for their employer & taking some pressure off the NHS! 🤷‍♀️

snoopyfanaccountant · 26/02/2025 22:05

Hopper123 · 26/02/2025 20:39

Both my husband and I got a letter like this recently except it has put us both on a K tax code and says my personal allowance is negative 7004 meaning I don't have a personal allowance I was panicking but my accountant has said its normal procedure and not to worry about it it will be resolved with the next self assessment and go back to normal I hope so because without the personal allowance no way will i have enough saved up to pay a much bigger than expected bill ..funnily enough HMRC owe me 7000 in overpaid taxes which I asked for a few months ago with zero response.....funny that when we owe them money they want it there and then isn't it!!!

I'm currently on a Month 1 K code as a result of in tax year 2023/4 having property income plus interest on an inheritance (at a time when interest rates were high) which I took time to invest tax efficiently. I know that my tax code for 2025/6 will initially be wrong because interest rates have fallen and I have reduced my taxable savings, plus I am probably overpaying tax for this year, so my plan is to get my self-assessment return for 2024/5 in as soon as I can to stop my take home income yoyoing.

NewJobityJob · 26/02/2025 21:59

timetodecide2345 · 26/02/2025 21:50

Another tax idiot strikes again! No one £45k it doesn't affect you.

Why don't they teach tax in school it would save an awful lot of embarrassment!

You sound like a lovely person!

Cashcow1 · 26/02/2025 21:54

LittleBearPad · 26/02/2025 20:26

62% incl NI.

Unless you work through an umbrella contract - in which case you get to pay Employer's NI and Apprenticeship levy too.
Still, I assume that's something Rachel Reeves didn't study in opposition - when she says that workers won't lose out, over 500,000 will.

timetodecide2345 · 26/02/2025 21:50

Another tax idiot strikes again! No one £45k it doesn't affect you.

Why don't they teach tax in school it would save an awful lot of embarrassment!

TheWombatleague · 26/02/2025 21:38

rockstarshoes · 26/02/2025 21:09

Yes I know the employer pays it, but employee pays the tax on it!

Employer will pay the NIC - I just think it would be good to encourage Employers! to help their employees without anyone being penalised!

Propaganda lol!

Surely getting treatment quicker is a really good thing!

No one wants to waiting 6 months for an Op! Employer or Employee!

"Surely getting treatment quicker is a really good thing!"

Only for the person who can afford to get seen quicker. It doesn't mean it's of any benefit to the NHS, in fact mostly the opposite.

theboar.org/2025/02/wes-2025-does-private-healthcare-undermine-or-uplift-the-nhs/

PandaTime · 26/02/2025 21:36

NewJobityJob · 26/02/2025 21:20

Still thinking this over 😂

Is it not a double hit though if they reduce your tax code and count it as ‘earning’, so I’ve paid 20% on the PMI by losing £5k from my tax free allowance and I’ve paid also paid 40% £5k earlier then I would have without it?

No. Look at how much you have received in total from your employer. Salary plus medical insurance. You are paying the same amount of tax as everyone else who receives that amount in their salary alone. The only reason your tax code is reduced is so tax can be applied to that £5k because it isn't being taxed within your salary. You are not being taxed more than anyone else.

Msrachel · 26/02/2025 21:31

NewJobityJob · 26/02/2025 21:20

Still thinking this over 😂

Is it not a double hit though if they reduce your tax code and count it as ‘earning’, so I’ve paid 20% on the PMI by losing £5k from my tax free allowance and I’ve paid also paid 40% £5k earlier then I would have without it?

You are overthinking and confusing yourself. Your tax code is actually irrelevant although I know that sounds strange, it’s just how they collect it rather than your actual tax free amount.

Income:
5k medical insurance plus 45k salary. 50k total income. 12570 is still tax free & the other bands remain the same as everyone else.

The 5k isn’t physically paid over to you so they can’t tax it that way like they would if it was a bonus for example, so instead reduce your tax code to collect the same amount of tax from your salary.

You still get 12570 tax free.

Msrachel · 26/02/2025 21:25

valder · 26/02/2025 20:38

Hands up all the superior beings who are sneery accountants? Lots I reckon. The rest of us are not and expect things to be explained in simple English with examples where necessary.

The confusion that abounds about this is a case in point.

I think I’m the only one on the thread so far who has admitted to being an accountant and I certainly did not give a sneery response. We are used to explaining things in simpler terms for our clients who are not accountants, literally our job, so I doubt many (if any) of the sneery responses were from accountants.

OP, your mistake is a very common one. Not sure why it’s riled everyone up.