child maintenance criminals

And i repeat.

You legally and morally had the option to deny paternity, then they will arrange the test for a few hundred, at your expense, and only then can they take money from you.

I know this because two months ago when my claim was accepted, i asked them what happens if he tries to be a dick and deny paternity. They told me the above.

I also know, that the fact they were "taking" money, as you quoted, means that you did the same thing my sons useless deadbeat so called father did, and ignored them/refused to pay, so they were forced to take from your wages or whatever pay you get. Same happened to me. He ignored and they forced.

There are three options.

Private set up between parents.

Set up between parents and child maintenance service but willingly so- you send the money.

And collect and pay - forced from wages or whatever income.

In all these options, you had the chance to question paternity. Once sure, you proceed accordingly. You didn't do this. I suspect because you tried to dodge payments until you were forced, like my ex did.

So i have zero sympathy

Same here. I'm thinking of the burger place. Does that even exist anymore?

I’ve clearly stated that the recipient of Child Benefit is considered the resident parent,

that’s got nothing to do with your claim:

“the CMS will believe women no matter what”.

Of course they would start with (note also “start with”) a presumption that the person receiving child benefit would be the receiving parent. that’s basic common sense.

My friend’s ex has called the service several times and lied about his circumstances getting his payments reduced. The operator didn’t verify his information they just took his word. He’s been doing this since payments started and causing no end of trouble ,

But yeh continue with your male rights activism bollocks.

I’ve clearly stated that the recipient of Child Benefit is considered the resident parent, which in 99% of cases is the woman. Child benefit isn’t a considered decision when you are in a couple, people don’t consider or aren’t aware of all the ramifications such as how it might affect future Child Maintenance cases. It’s usually an, ‘alright, you claim it’ decision.

You can’t reason with people who just think men = bad 🙄

As I fully suspected- I can’t see anything on that at all saying that the CMS will “ automatically believe women no matter what”.

it simply says that there is a starting presumption that the person who receives child benefit is the person with care.
which makes total reasonable sense.

@Lostcat Page 17 / 18 if the image is not clear.

@Lostcat

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/679371cae863a0e7724f4afb/volume-1-the-basic-principles-chapters-3-16.pdf

Ok, I am old. What is a Wendy's?

Can you point me to this legislation please?
Because it is absolutely 100% not how it works in practice, all of the time, as any number of receiving parents will be able to share with you.
Id really like to see this so I can share it with my friend to help her sort out the mess she’s clearly dealing with where her ex called up the CMS (this has happened several times) and told them false information and they automatically took his word for it and reduced her payments.

Properly laughed out loud at this! Bravo!

It takes months and months for them to set up a deduction from earnings order, or any other method they use for taking the money. Months.
They agree to paternity tests the first time you ask, and stop any proceedings until the mother agrees. As long as you don’t hold it up by taking ages to give your sample.
The first time they contacted you, all you had to say was that you wanted a paternity test and they would say yes, no problem, you pay for it and we’ll get it all sorted and wait for the results.

If they were able to go through their whole process of taking the money (which takes months) then it means you didn’t bother to sort out or ask for a paternity test. It’s your own fault.

It’s written in Child Maintenances Legislation that the claimant of the Child Benefit (mostly women) are the resident parent.

Those whose exes are lying about 50/50 - do you have court orders that state that this is the case?

If you claim the child benefit then it’s written into Child Maintenance Legislation that you are the receiving / resident parent and therefore, they will ‘believe’ you. The only exception to this is if there is a court order e.g. 50/50. If that is not being followed, the CMS will accept the court order anyway because it’s the most accurate information that they have.

Right. But if you were that pp you would use it to claim that the CMS attitude is to believe men no matter what.

my friend dealing with similar to you.

that poster keeps saying “The paying parent just has to ‘suck up’ whatever the receiving parent chooses to tell the CMS” absolutely complete and utter bollocks.

The CMS’ attitude is to believe the woman (receiving parent) no matter what

well this is absolutely NOT true for a start. So also makes me highly doubt the veracity of the rest of your claims.

No, I am just relaying factual information.

Courts do everything to try and get parents to make private arrangements. There’s a long process before a court just makes an order. The court’s reasoning is that it is always better for parents and children to work cooperatively than to get court orders. That’s why you have to attend mediation and meetings with CAFCASS first, to see if you can reach an agreement outside of course. I’m not sure why people are arguing against facts.

The National Audit Office annually refuses to sign off The Child Maintenances accounts because they cannot make sense of their figures, finances, arrears, payments etc.

https://www.nao.org.uk/reports/child-maintenance-client-funds-accounts-2020-21/

I am both a receiving parent and the partner of a paying parent, I have no ‘skin in the game’ on either side. I just think that the issues relating to paying parents and the CMS should also be recognised and given air time - it’s not fit for purpose for anyone!

You're acting like you're the only person with experience with any of this.

You're really not.

My DC never knew me and their Dad went to Court to standardise their contact arrangements, so in my view it can only damage the DC if it's brought to their attention. There's no need to do so.

Thanks to the Court Order my DC's Dad is consistent and has them when he is supposed to, instead of when he feels like it, as he did before (it was me that forced the proceedings, not him).

Court proceedings in fractious relationships (which is what we are discussing) are clearly damaging to children and to the relationship between parents. That’s why you have to attend a MIAM, mediation, CAFCASS and a dispute hearing beforehand, and it’s written all over the court documents that child arrangement orders are a last resort. But go ahead and disagree with the numerous agencies I’ve just mentioned.

We will have to agree to disagree.

The fact you think getting things cleared up in court so neither party can screw the other over tells me all I need to know.

Can I ask how you ended up paying for a child who was not yours?

How long did you pay for, did you believe the child was yours and then discovered they were not at some point?

Me too!!

We will have to agree to disagree. I am both a receiving parent, and the partner of a paying parent, so I see it from both perspectives.

I am only asking people to consider the issue from both sides, rather than the stereotype of man = deadbeat and woman = struggling single mum with feckless ex.

If the ‘receiving parent’ has declared you never have your children, when in fact you have them half the time (and all the expenses that comes with), then 12% of your income significant and financially ruinous. The 12% is also from your pre-tax income. CMS also has the habit of adding false arrears onto paying parents accounts, inflating payments to even more unaffordable levels. This is all well documented information, and I would encourage anyone to spend five minutes of their time researching this issue.

Dragging children through the court to get arrangement orders is damaging to the children and alienates the parents from each other even more.

It's easy enough to get a court order to clarify things. If there's no court order in place then that's sheer stupidity imo.

There have been several families blame maintenence for the suicide of their loved one, I get that, the need for an actual reason, but no ordinarily happy, mentally OK person will die by suicide over 12% of their wages.

I have no doubt there are the occasional shit outcome for the paying parent, but it's largely an issue for the receiving parent. There's absolutely no comparison there. RPs are screwed over all the time and there's very little in the way of comeback.

Undoubtedly you'll dismiss it, just like you dismissed pps lived experience as well, but it's true. The system is overwhelmingly set up in favour of the NRP.