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So fed up of stories like this every single year. Stupid bloody Skiing.

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ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 23/02/2025 23:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14427223/British-schoolboy-14-killed-skiing-accident-northern-Italy.html

This poor lad, only 14 years old, crashes headlong into a tree at speed and dies of chest injuries right in front of his parents.

What's so fucking great about skiing? Every year without fail there are stories like this and I'm sick of them. I know someone who became permanently disabled and slightly brain damaged after a skiing accident in his 20s.

As parents we don't encourage our kids to get into cars and drive them at speed round a race track with very little training every half term in February do we? We don't stick them on the backs of race horses and slap their arses and watch them go over hurdles. We don't encourage them to dive off high cliffs into the sea below and hope that they manage to miss the rocks as they land. So why do we continually let them hurl down mountainsides at god knows how many miles an hour, hoping that they manage not to collide with a tree or hit their heads on a rock?

I don't get it. I never will. However 'fun' it might be it can't possibly be worth the stupid level of risk.

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thedogatethecattreats · 24/02/2025 14:04

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 11:12

Yes boxing is another one that frequently makes me put my head in my hands and sigh. Honestly, who'd have thought that yet another poor soul had sustained a serious brain injury from a 'sport' than involves being repeatedly punched in the head? Hmm

And everyone always sounds so bewildered and makes all the right noises about how tragic it is, how lessons must be learnt, like there wasn't a pretty bloody high likelihood of it happening eventually. I despair, I really do.

as above, don't do it if you don't want to.

I go to a boxing club twice a week. You don't know what you're missing 😂

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 24/02/2025 14:01

It's like driving or cycling - not just yourself you need to be careful of it's all the other idiots on the slopes/roads. Two family members have had bad leg bone breaks from other skiers crashing into them

TheKeatingFive · 24/02/2025 13:55

Mielikki · 24/02/2025 13:35

That's really not the reality of skiing for the vast majority of people who do it. The idea that the average recreational skier cruising blues and reds is "laughing in Mother Nature's face" is ridiculous - the comparison is more "cycling along the towpath with your 5 year old" then riding a motorcycle at high speed on narrow country lanes.

Agreed. I enjoy skiing, but I am definitely not 'taking on mother nature' 😂

PenneyFouryourthoughts · 24/02/2025 13:54

It's the stupidest sport. Strap a blade on each foot and fling yourself down a mountain. I've never seen the appeal.

elastamum · 24/02/2025 13:44

I grew up in a skiing family and one of my DC worked in the mountains running ski lifts. He says that by far the biggest cause of accidents is reckless skiers (usually young men) going far too fast and injuring themselves and sadly sometimes the people they ski into. In North America reckless skiers can have their lift passes confiscated. Sadly this doesn't happen in Europe. Tragically it appears that the young man who died was going very fast and lost control resulting in a freak accident. His poor family must be absolutely devastated.

Mielikki · 24/02/2025 13:35

Dotjones · 24/02/2025 13:12

I don't think it really matters. People who ski know (or should know, it's bloody obvious) that participating in a dangerous activity brings a risk of life-changing injury and death. That's part of the thrill, it's about laughing in Mother Nature's face and beating her at her own game. If you roll the dice often enough Mother Nature will have the last laugh, but the enjoyment of skiing is that you know you are risking your life. It's the same with riding a motorcycle at high speed along narrow country lanes. You're free because you're living in the moment. There's no future and no past, only now. It has to be that way, if you don't think like that you will have a bad outcome.

That's really not the reality of skiing for the vast majority of people who do it. The idea that the average recreational skier cruising blues and reds is "laughing in Mother Nature's face" is ridiculous - the comparison is more "cycling along the towpath with your 5 year old" then riding a motorcycle at high speed on narrow country lanes.

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 13:29

Clearinguptheclutter · 24/02/2025 13:14

My mother has the same attitude to risk as you OP.

I point out to her that despite the (tiny) risk, I am absolutely certain that me running (often long distances) does so much for my general (physical and mental) wellbeing that I will live a much longer and healthier life because of it. And running increasing in general popularity will have benefited society as a whole.

If you are a regular and seasoned runner you are probably right. I imagine most of the problems in marathons are from people who have trained intensively for their first ever marathon from not having had much history of long distance running previously, and perhaps over-extended themselves.

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WanderingDreamingSpires · 24/02/2025 13:24

Tabbsi · 23/02/2025 23:35

I am Scandinavian and we are taught to ski very young and it’s always been a part of life. I live in the UK now and find it so weird that British people love to ski, it’s not part of their landscape like in Scandinavian countries of parts of France or indeed elsewhere so it’s odd to me, it seems a sort of aspirational thing to do for British people I guess

Ok Scandi Mandy 🙄

Verv · 24/02/2025 13:20

My ex put a rib through her liver in a skiing accident.

Clearinguptheclutter · 24/02/2025 13:14

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 12:42

Only 13 deaths since 1981 but I bet the number of people collapsing and needing urgent medical treatment and/or or actually having heart attacks is an annual occurance.

My mother has the same attitude to risk as you OP.

I point out to her that despite the (tiny) risk, I am absolutely certain that me running (often long distances) does so much for my general (physical and mental) wellbeing that I will live a much longer and healthier life because of it. And running increasing in general popularity will have benefited society as a whole.

Dotjones · 24/02/2025 13:12

I don't think it really matters. People who ski know (or should know, it's bloody obvious) that participating in a dangerous activity brings a risk of life-changing injury and death. That's part of the thrill, it's about laughing in Mother Nature's face and beating her at her own game. If you roll the dice often enough Mother Nature will have the last laugh, but the enjoyment of skiing is that you know you are risking your life. It's the same with riding a motorcycle at high speed along narrow country lanes. You're free because you're living in the moment. There's no future and no past, only now. It has to be that way, if you don't think like that you will have a bad outcome.

Luddite26 · 24/02/2025 13:09

CautiousLurker01 · 24/02/2025 12:50

I’m minded that there were more deaths of men (middle aged and young) going for walks on hot mediterranean islands last year than there were deaths by skiing. Perhaps walking should be reclassified as a dangerous sport and anyone caught doing it, or injured in the act thereof, should be denied NHS treatment for being so reckless…

Well even Dr. Michael Mosley succumbed to that one which I still find shocking.

Mielikki · 24/02/2025 13:06

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 12:45

Again, proportionately in terms of the numbers of people who ski versus the number of people who go in cars, and hour for hour spend doing both, probably not.

Got any actual stats for that or just a 'feeling'?

youwot · 24/02/2025 13:05

@ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas - actually I found it for you. It's 1 in 100 runners that have excessive collapse. Here's an interesting article. https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/medics-and-london-marathon-5-questions-race-medical-director-2019a1000063
Anyone who's not properly prepared, has underlying health conditions, hasn't trained, hydrated or fuelled adequately etc has a higher chance of collapse. But clearly for the vast majority of people it's a fairly uneventful day and actually as the doctor here says, probably one of the better places to have a medical emergency as there's so many expert doctors there. But clearly 96% of people have no serious problem on the day.
Compare that to 80 people being injured and 5 dying on our roads every day and the London marathon really doesn't seem that risky at all.

youwot · 24/02/2025 12:57

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 12:42

Only 13 deaths since 1981 but I bet the number of people collapsing and needing urgent medical treatment and/or or actually having heart attacks is an annual occurance.

I mean @ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas by all means say things like "I bet..." with no actual facts behind it, much like you claimed deaths was an annual occurrence. There's just no need for scaremongering. People have heart attacks all the time, they collapse all the time. Mostly actually because of not doing things like running and keeping healthy. Overexertion can be a problem but sedentary lifestyles are far, far worse for health and will affect far more people per annum, causing more heart attacks, collapses and death than participating in the London Marathon. I think if you wanted to find out for sure St John's ambulance and London Ambulance services would have statistics on how many people they treated the day of the London Marathon. But there's a hospital admission for heart attacks every FIVE minutes in the UK

CautiousLurker01 · 24/02/2025 12:50

I’m minded that there were more deaths of men (middle aged and young) going for walks on hot mediterranean islands last year than there were deaths by skiing. Perhaps walking should be reclassified as a dangerous sport and anyone caught doing it, or injured in the act thereof, should be denied NHS treatment for being so reckless…

Goldenbear · 24/02/2025 12:47

FindusMakesPancakes · 24/02/2025 09:02

Life would be so dull if it was restricted to photography, reading and painting. All a bit Victorian gentle maiden sounding, harking back to an era where people died regularly from getting a cold.

I don't find playing an instrument or any of the other examples dull, I was pointing out the invalid logic that categorically states skiing is the only thrill inducing activity, and the further more stupid argument, that none skiing children are obese and addicted to their smart phones. It is akin to arguing that thrill seeking sporty children, that do not have the concentration span to learn to read music or have no curiosity about the world around them, completely lack an imagination!

My DC can go skiing with my DH, they don't want to, they are not interested. My DH doesn't think learning to ski is some kind of virtue so he's not bothered that they refuse his offer. He shares other interests with them art being one of them as he is an Architect, his DC being interested in Art and Design are more important to him. It has been more important to ignite our DC's imagination as in our opinion, this is key to living a fulfilled life, i.e I don't think they should have to make a trip to a ski slope to feel fulfilled.

ItShouldntHappenToMeYet · 24/02/2025 12:47

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 12:42

Only 13 deaths since 1981 but I bet the number of people collapsing and needing urgent medical treatment and/or or actually having heart attacks is an annual occurance.

Based on which statistics? Have you contacted every ski resort in the world, or just stating nonsense because you haven't had the agreement you required from the post?
Would you bet your house on yet another ridiculous assertion?

Clearinguptheclutter · 24/02/2025 12:45

minipie · 24/02/2025 12:43

Christ yes, I’d far rather my kids went skiing than got in a car with a teenage driver.

Indeed

unfortunately with respect to the poor kid that died obviously that’s tragic but often road deaths just don’t make the news, there are so many of them

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 12:45

Blisteringlycold · 24/02/2025 11:23

God I'd rather die skiing (which I do twice a year and have done for 30 odd years) than die in a car on a road in the UK... which far more people do.

Being out of control and skiing (like an idiot)is as stupid as driving a car out of control and not something I would tolerate from my kids.

Accidents can and do happen, but risk can be controlled. Beyond that, live your life.

Again, proportionately in terms of the numbers of people who ski versus the number of people who go in cars, and hour for hour spend doing both, probably not.

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minipie · 24/02/2025 12:43

Clearinguptheclutter · 24/02/2025 12:42

to add further to this,I’m fairly sure the risk of dying while a teenage driver are far higher than the risk of dying while skiing

most parents I know are desperate for their 17-18 year old kids to start driving

Christ yes, I’d far rather my kids went skiing than got in a car with a teenage driver.

whatonearthisgoingonnow · 24/02/2025 12:43

crankytoes · 24/02/2025 12:01

@Nanny1983

Maybe everyone who does extreme sports should be made to have proper insurance at all times so that our NHS isn’t picking up the costs if people want to go ahead and do these dangerous sports.
I know people go abroad and take out insurance but what about people who do the sports in the uk ?

Sure. As long as the plan extends to smokers, drinkers and the overweight.

And the elderly. They should have to pay a monthly subscription after 70 or save for health separately in their lives ready for old age like in the US, they cost an absolute fortune to be treated and block beds.

Clearinguptheclutter · 24/02/2025 12:42

Sugarstranded · 23/02/2025 23:28

I would be interested to know the statistics around skiing (when you are generally in resort for a week, on foot when not on skis) versus the chances of being in a car accident if you stay at home and go out in the car every day to the cinema, shops etc. This story is horrific but it's surely very very rare?

to add further to this,I’m fairly sure the risk of dying while a teenage driver are far higher than the risk of dying while skiing

most parents I know are desperate for their 17-18 year old kids to start driving

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 12:42

youwot · 24/02/2025 11:13

OP the fact is over half of all accidental deaths in the UK take place within the home. And for some reason people are falling over a lot more. RTAs are also increasing, despite safer cars. It's people not properly taking care in any activity not the activity itself. You are statistically more likely to die accidentally now than twenty years ago the ROSPA report makes for interesting reading.

The marathon runners - cardiac arrest is usually an undiagnosed heart condition that causes the death. Sometimes there can be factors like heat etc which has caused death. And it's not "almost always at least one" runner a year. There's been 13 deaths since 1981. That's one every 3 years. So you are suggesting it's a lot worse than it actually is.

www.rospa.com/news-and-views/preventable-accidents-in-the-uk-are-rising#:~:text=The%20rate%20of%20accidental%20deaths,up%2056%25)%20since%202013.

Only 13 deaths since 1981 but I bet the number of people collapsing and needing urgent medical treatment and/or or actually having heart attacks is an annual occurance.

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Lolapusht · 24/02/2025 12:39

We’re just back from an amazing week’s ski-ing.

I grew up in Scotland so learnt to ski (a bit) from around 12. DH is a brilliant skier/snowboarder as he learnt at 9. DC started at 7 by going to Ski School and are now better than me. We’ve taught them how to behave on the slopes, DH goes down first and I follow behind to pick anyone up if they need it. We tell them where to stop on the run and they do.

DH skis to our limits and we don’t do anything crazy. It’s like any other outdoor activity and I don’t think it’s any more dangerous than mountain biking etc. We’ve never had anything worse than a totally normal fall. Oh, and I’m a peri menopausal vaguely unfit not in the slightest athletic over 50 yr old so do strength training to lessen the likelihood of pinging something.