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So fed up of stories like this every single year. Stupid bloody Skiing.

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ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 23/02/2025 23:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14427223/British-schoolboy-14-killed-skiing-accident-northern-Italy.html

This poor lad, only 14 years old, crashes headlong into a tree at speed and dies of chest injuries right in front of his parents.

What's so fucking great about skiing? Every year without fail there are stories like this and I'm sick of them. I know someone who became permanently disabled and slightly brain damaged after a skiing accident in his 20s.

As parents we don't encourage our kids to get into cars and drive them at speed round a race track with very little training every half term in February do we? We don't stick them on the backs of race horses and slap their arses and watch them go over hurdles. We don't encourage them to dive off high cliffs into the sea below and hope that they manage to miss the rocks as they land. So why do we continually let them hurl down mountainsides at god knows how many miles an hour, hoping that they manage not to collide with a tree or hit their heads on a rock?

I don't get it. I never will. However 'fun' it might be it can't possibly be worth the stupid level of risk.

OP posts:
Lovelysummerdays · 24/02/2025 14:46

Scottishskifun · 24/02/2025 14:41

This really depends on the person.
If people have annual policies with Winter cover it does tend to include the UK - ours does.
If doing a lot of back country skiing which is what it's considered to be then many who do this have specialist insurance like BMC.

We don't have it for the rescue/snow patrol lift off the mountain but incase of injury/inability to work etc.

I did check my annual policy and it’d only cover me in the UK if I was 100 miles from home and booked at least 1 night of accommodation. So for us a standard day trip to Glenshee wouldn’t be covered possibly if going further afield but we don’t tend to.

namechangetheworld · 24/02/2025 14:44

After seeing footage of professional skier Gernot Reinstadler being literally sliced in half at the groin by the safety barrier, I've been put off skiing for life. I'm sure accidents are few and far between but I'll never get that image out of my head.

kattaduck · 24/02/2025 14:44

Flustration · 24/02/2025 12:21

Is this the database you are quoting? https://health-infobase.canada.ca/winter-sport-injuries/alpine-skiing.html

If yes, I think you have misinterpreted the data. Of those who sustain an injury, 43.3% are aged 10-14.

43% of 10-14 year olds do not sustain injuries.

That's so embarrassing. No wonder people can't do a simple risk assessment same as OP who just "feels" skiing and marathon running is dangerous without any data to back it up. It helps though to justify just sitting on your couch because that is actually pretty safe.

Scottishskifun · 24/02/2025 14:42

Lovelysummerdays · 24/02/2025 14:37

I don’t tbh. I don’t even know where I’d buy such a thing. Tbh if you were in a serious accident it’d be an air ambulance to NHS hospital. Anything less would be a first sided on site and getting in a car or possibly an ambulance to local hospital. I don’t really think insurance would cover you if you could get nhs treatment. I think you can get insurance for the kit and I have a friend who is a dentist who has his hands insured against breakages and injuries.

If you have a annual multi-trip policy with Winter cover then it usually includes the UK most people don't realise as they don't check home countries on policy documents.

Lanzarotelady · 24/02/2025 14:42

Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2025 14:41

Ladders, stairs, taxi i can get how accidents happen.
But how did someone even end up in icu from sex?

Its quite common, bleed on the brain from the exertion ( men )

Scottishskifun · 24/02/2025 14:41

sunbum · 24/02/2025 14:19

Everyone that goes abroad to ski, mostly, pays for winter sports cover, as do all the school trips. There might be a few young groups that don't but everyone I know that goes skiing has comprehensive winter sports coverage. And all the medical care is done in situ if needed or helicoptered to in country hospitals. The idiots without insurance would also get that, and then sent a huge bill. NHS might get a bit of physio when they get back I guess. But no one is rocking up in an English A&E with an injury they sustained in the Alps.

I have never skied in the UK and imagine that is generally people up in Scotland. Not sure what happens there? Do you have winter sports insurance skiing scots?

This really depends on the person.
If people have annual policies with Winter cover it does tend to include the UK - ours does.
If doing a lot of back country skiing which is what it's considered to be then many who do this have specialist insurance like BMC.

We don't have it for the rescue/snow patrol lift off the mountain but incase of injury/inability to work etc.

Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2025 14:41

Lanzarotelady · 24/02/2025 14:22

I worked in Neuro ICU, for goodness sake OP, don't ever go up a ladder, up the stairs, in and out of a taxi or have sex!

Ladders, stairs, taxi i can get how accidents happen.
But how did someone even end up in icu from sex?

Lovelysummerdays · 24/02/2025 14:37

sunbum · 24/02/2025 14:19

Everyone that goes abroad to ski, mostly, pays for winter sports cover, as do all the school trips. There might be a few young groups that don't but everyone I know that goes skiing has comprehensive winter sports coverage. And all the medical care is done in situ if needed or helicoptered to in country hospitals. The idiots without insurance would also get that, and then sent a huge bill. NHS might get a bit of physio when they get back I guess. But no one is rocking up in an English A&E with an injury they sustained in the Alps.

I have never skied in the UK and imagine that is generally people up in Scotland. Not sure what happens there? Do you have winter sports insurance skiing scots?

I don’t tbh. I don’t even know where I’d buy such a thing. Tbh if you were in a serious accident it’d be an air ambulance to NHS hospital. Anything less would be a first sided on site and getting in a car or possibly an ambulance to local hospital. I don’t really think insurance would cover you if you could get nhs treatment. I think you can get insurance for the kit and I have a friend who is a dentist who has his hands insured against breakages and injuries.

thedogatethecattreats · 24/02/2025 14:27

It's not right at all, but technically, every time I go out for a jog, I am taking a risk. Because I am female, I am alone, I run in mainly very quiet places. We all know what could happen.

You can't give up on life just because there's a risk. You risk your life every time you go to work if you are looking at it that way.

Epli · 24/02/2025 14:24

elastamum · 24/02/2025 13:44

I grew up in a skiing family and one of my DC worked in the mountains running ski lifts. He says that by far the biggest cause of accidents is reckless skiers (usually young men) going far too fast and injuring themselves and sadly sometimes the people they ski into. In North America reckless skiers can have their lift passes confiscated. Sadly this doesn't happen in Europe. Tragically it appears that the young man who died was going very fast and lost control resulting in a freak accident. His poor family must be absolutely devastated.

I think to be fair what ski resorts are doing does not help. There is a very, very steep black piste called Harakiri in Mayrhofen and the resort keeps on advertising it everywhere and you can even buy a t-shirt saying 'I survived Harakiri'. Obviously the piste is full on skiers who should stick to easy reds, because it is advertising as a tourist attraction rather than a place where only a handful of skiers should go.

TheWombatleague · 24/02/2025 14:24

Lanzarotelady · 24/02/2025 14:22

I worked in Neuro ICU, for goodness sake OP, don't ever go up a ladder, up the stairs, in and out of a taxi or have sex!

More importantly don't combine any of the previous activities with the latter.

sunbum · 24/02/2025 14:24

Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2025 14:19

I know a very young man who died of a brain hemorrhage. He'd already lost a sibling to cancer. His manta was 'live every day as if it were your last'

There have been some scare mongering posts on here. Making me nervous about out next holiday.
But I'll always keep Safety in mind both my kids are good skiers. We all wear helmets. And remember he died in his bed.

'Live every day as if it were your last'

Yeah exactly. We have alsways skied an cycled with our kids and I scuba dive etc. My poor sister, who did no physical activities, died overnight in bed due to an undiagnosed heart issue. Proportionality and risk awareness vs risk averity is key for me.

thedogatethecattreats · 24/02/2025 14:23

JoyousGreyOrca · 24/02/2025 14:21

Only idiots live every day as if it were your last.
Alcoholism and massive drug use here I come, plus riding a motorbike with no helmet to feel the wind in my hair!!

that's not what it means 🙄

Lanzarotelady · 24/02/2025 14:23

Or give birth!

Lanzarotelady · 24/02/2025 14:22

I worked in Neuro ICU, for goodness sake OP, don't ever go up a ladder, up the stairs, in and out of a taxi or have sex!

JoyousGreyOrca · 24/02/2025 14:21

Only idiots live every day as if it were your last.
Alcoholism and massive drug use here I come, plus riding a motorbike with no helmet to feel the wind in my hair!!

Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2025 14:19

JoyousGreyOrca · 24/02/2025 14:08

I know someone who died young on a hot day running a marathon who had a slight undetected heart problem.

I know a very young man who died of a brain hemorrhage. He'd already lost a sibling to cancer. His manta was 'live every day as if it were your last'

There have been some scare mongering posts on here. Making me nervous about out next holiday.
But I'll always keep Safety in mind both my kids are good skiers. We all wear helmets. And remember he died in his bed.

'Live every day as if it were your last'

youwot · 24/02/2025 14:19

@Needspaceforlego a Google. The ROSPA don't specifically report on London Marathon.

sunbum · 24/02/2025 14:19

crankytoes · 24/02/2025 12:01

@Nanny1983

Maybe everyone who does extreme sports should be made to have proper insurance at all times so that our NHS isn’t picking up the costs if people want to go ahead and do these dangerous sports.
I know people go abroad and take out insurance but what about people who do the sports in the uk ?

Sure. As long as the plan extends to smokers, drinkers and the overweight.

Everyone that goes abroad to ski, mostly, pays for winter sports cover, as do all the school trips. There might be a few young groups that don't but everyone I know that goes skiing has comprehensive winter sports coverage. And all the medical care is done in situ if needed or helicoptered to in country hospitals. The idiots without insurance would also get that, and then sent a huge bill. NHS might get a bit of physio when they get back I guess. But no one is rocking up in an English A&E with an injury they sustained in the Alps.

I have never skied in the UK and imagine that is generally people up in Scotland. Not sure what happens there? Do you have winter sports insurance skiing scots?

Lovelysummerdays · 24/02/2025 14:13

This thread has actually made me consider my attitude to risk. I think possibly the riskiest thing I undertook was backpacking alone in Egypt during a time of political turmoil. I was absolutely fine and had some amazing experiences but only really by relying on the kindness of strangers so it could of gone horribly wrong. Hobby wise I did a lot of Scuba diving which is possibly more dangerous than skiing. Sailing just pootling around on a dinghy which never felt atall dangerous but probably is a little. Paddle boarding and wild swimming maybe slightly dangerous if not aware of weather and / or limitations.

Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2025 14:12

youwot · 24/02/2025 11:13

OP the fact is over half of all accidental deaths in the UK take place within the home. And for some reason people are falling over a lot more. RTAs are also increasing, despite safer cars. It's people not properly taking care in any activity not the activity itself. You are statistically more likely to die accidentally now than twenty years ago the ROSPA report makes for interesting reading.

The marathon runners - cardiac arrest is usually an undiagnosed heart condition that causes the death. Sometimes there can be factors like heat etc which has caused death. And it's not "almost always at least one" runner a year. There's been 13 deaths since 1981. That's one every 3 years. So you are suggesting it's a lot worse than it actually is.

www.rospa.com/news-and-views/preventable-accidents-in-the-uk-are-rising#:~:text=The%20rate%20of%20accidental%20deaths,up%2056%25)%20since%202013.

Where are you getting 13 deaths since 1981 stat from because I can't see it in the article you are quoting.

sunbum · 24/02/2025 14:11

minipie · 24/02/2025 14:04

I was a ski rep for a while and yes this was my experience

We could predict which clients arriving would have an accident by the end of the week, it was always in the groups age 20-35 and usually a lad. Generally a wide variation in the skiing level among the group but the less experienced didn’t want lessons of course 🙄🙄. They went out drinking till late and skiing the next day. Thankfully it was just themselves they hurt IME and nothing serious.

I want my kids to learn to ski partly because we love it and I believe it’s far easier to learn as a child, but partly for safety reasons. People who go on their first ski trip as a young adult are much less safe IMO as young adults are inclined to ditch lessons asap and be more reckless. Better they know how to ski before that point.

This is also very true. I've been away with mixed ability work groups and the young lads who have never skied before try and keep up with experienced skiers and that is a recipe for disaster. I think it should be like scuba diving where you have a log book and certified training and dive hours. Beginners should be forced to have lessons imo. I have records of all the hours of ski tuition my kids have had over the years and they never ski alone without responsible adults. On school trip lessons are mandatory, no matter how good/experienced they are, as it should be. Poor boy, he was very unlucky.

JoyousGreyOrca · 24/02/2025 14:08

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 13:29

If you are a regular and seasoned runner you are probably right. I imagine most of the problems in marathons are from people who have trained intensively for their first ever marathon from not having had much history of long distance running previously, and perhaps over-extended themselves.

I know someone who died young on a hot day running a marathon who had a slight undetected heart problem.

sunbum · 24/02/2025 14:06

elastamum · 24/02/2025 13:44

I grew up in a skiing family and one of my DC worked in the mountains running ski lifts. He says that by far the biggest cause of accidents is reckless skiers (usually young men) going far too fast and injuring themselves and sadly sometimes the people they ski into. In North America reckless skiers can have their lift passes confiscated. Sadly this doesn't happen in Europe. Tragically it appears that the young man who died was going very fast and lost control resulting in a freak accident. His poor family must be absolutely devastated.

We were skiing in Itally last year and 2 of our party were threatened with having lft passes confiscated for going off piste and straying onto a piste that was closesd. They took down full details and lift pass number. In the French Alps I am increasingly seeing them pull aside young people going too fast/uncontrolled, so I think that is happenning more.

minipie · 24/02/2025 14:04

elastamum · 24/02/2025 13:44

I grew up in a skiing family and one of my DC worked in the mountains running ski lifts. He says that by far the biggest cause of accidents is reckless skiers (usually young men) going far too fast and injuring themselves and sadly sometimes the people they ski into. In North America reckless skiers can have their lift passes confiscated. Sadly this doesn't happen in Europe. Tragically it appears that the young man who died was going very fast and lost control resulting in a freak accident. His poor family must be absolutely devastated.

I was a ski rep for a while and yes this was my experience

We could predict which clients arriving would have an accident by the end of the week, it was always in the groups age 20-35 and usually a lad. Generally a wide variation in the skiing level among the group but the less experienced didn’t want lessons of course 🙄🙄. They went out drinking till late and skiing the next day. Thankfully it was just themselves they hurt IME and nothing serious.

I want my kids to learn to ski partly because we love it and I believe it’s far easier to learn as a child, but partly for safety reasons. People who go on their first ski trip as a young adult are much less safe IMO as young adults are inclined to ditch lessons asap and be more reckless. Better they know how to ski before that point.

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