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So fed up of stories like this every single year. Stupid bloody Skiing.

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ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 23/02/2025 23:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14427223/British-schoolboy-14-killed-skiing-accident-northern-Italy.html

This poor lad, only 14 years old, crashes headlong into a tree at speed and dies of chest injuries right in front of his parents.

What's so fucking great about skiing? Every year without fail there are stories like this and I'm sick of them. I know someone who became permanently disabled and slightly brain damaged after a skiing accident in his 20s.

As parents we don't encourage our kids to get into cars and drive them at speed round a race track with very little training every half term in February do we? We don't stick them on the backs of race horses and slap their arses and watch them go over hurdles. We don't encourage them to dive off high cliffs into the sea below and hope that they manage to miss the rocks as they land. So why do we continually let them hurl down mountainsides at god knows how many miles an hour, hoping that they manage not to collide with a tree or hit their heads on a rock?

I don't get it. I never will. However 'fun' it might be it can't possibly be worth the stupid level of risk.

OP posts:
Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2025 17:03

minipie · 24/02/2025 16:15

I think there is a difference for things that cause risk to other people. Driving does. Gymnastics doesn’t. Skiing does.

I think there’s a case for having to get your “skiing licence” before you’re allowed up the mountain without an instructor. Not sure how this would work practically but I can see the benefits

Edited

Just about everywhere has the ski code with about 10 rules on safety, inc not stopping in the middle of a run, and what to do in event of an accident.

JoyousGreyOrca · 24/02/2025 16:44

I am older. Everyone I know who has skied has injuries relating to it, usually knees. Some which mended after the initial injury, but are now causing problems.

Logslogslogs · 24/02/2025 16:36

I agree, OP. I wouldn't ski again, although I've been a keen rider which also comes with risks. But the differences are that the slopes are ridiculously crowded (which either leads to collisions or else people being tempted to go off piste), and you don't get many people riding who can't ride (outside of a riding school or other closely supervised environment), whereas ski resorts are absolutely packed with people who have only the most basic ability at skiing, which again leads to collisions and poor decision making. The riding equivalent would be if you got hundreds of people who had been on a horse once or twice a few years ago, put them all in a field together, gave them a few drinks at lunch and then suggested they do whatever they fancy. It would be carnage.

Per hour I think riding is more dangerous (although it depends exactly what you're comparing) but I find it much easier to gauge the risks and decide whether to take them- it's dangerous because it's an inherently dangerous sport. Skiing doesn't seem to have any of that- it's an inherently dangerous sport but it's also (as practised at a typical ski resort by a typical skier) a chaotic free-for-all in which people with almost no ability are encouraged to take substantial risks. Crackers.

Criteria16 · 24/02/2025 16:35

What an interesting topic. I grew up abroad, in an area where you would go skiing from very young, every weekend in winter. All my friends ski, and their children too. We now live in England and we go skiing 2-3 times from December to March on average (typically when we visit family). We brought DS since he was very young, and now at 6 he's quite good.
Across all my and DH's family members and many friends, we never experienced a serious ski accident. Children normally learn to ski in very safe areas, where the slopes are not steep and adult don't go, so it's pretty safe. We also go skiing as a group, with one adult in the front, children/teens in the middle and more adults following, so speed is controlled and you keep an eye on each other and what others are doing.

Not sure my post makes sense, but it's to say that despite the horrible accidents making the news, I don't think statistically it's such a risky sport. I feel way more at risk when we go snorkeling or diving.

Mielikki · 24/02/2025 16:32

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 16:08

No it isn't. It's like saying you've been put off taking up motor racing. Not regular driving.

Recreational skiing is to ski racing is what regular driving is to motor racing. The comparison stands.

shockthemonkey · 24/02/2025 16:30

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 23/02/2025 23:27

It's the way people wang on as if it's so bloody marvellous that gets me. It's dangerous and irresponsible and even if statistically you might not have a high chance of dying, I think you have a pretty high chance of getting hurt. I realise life is to be lived and it's not completely risk free. I just don't understand why so many people would actively choose to let their whole family do something that is so high risk. When it goes wrong it's not just a broken arm or ankle, it's brain damage.

It may have already been said - I have not rtft - but OP you are vastly overstating the risks here and completely ignoring the many benefits that literally everyone who skis enjoys.
"When it goes wrong it's brain damage" - no. Only a vanishingly small number of accidents result in brain damage. So that's a small portion of an already small minority. I get that it can be devastating were one to be so incredibly unlucky, but more likely, if you hurt yourself, it'll be bad bruising, torn ligaments or broken bones, nasty but survivable.
Meanwhile, everyone who skis benefits from the exercise, fresh air, change of scenery, and social scene.

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 24/02/2025 16:26

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 16:08

No it isn't. It's like saying you've been put off taking up motor racing. Not regular driving.

If someone is comparing ski racing with skiing and saying they are equal, then it is a perfect comparison of race driving to everyday driving. It's disingenuous to think otherwise.

Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2025 16:21

sunbum · 24/02/2025 15:54

Wearing a helmet with a go pro camera attached - which pierced his brain when he fell. He likely would have been ok if he hadn't had that on his helmet - a pretty dumb thing to do but was common back then - you see much less of it now.

OMG 😲 I didn't know he had a Go Pro on.

I did know they weren't recommended for putting on helmets when I bought DH his I read and found alternative like having it on his chest or on the strap of his backpack.

minipie · 24/02/2025 16:15

treesandsun · 24/02/2025 16:10

Risks exist for most things - if you ban skiing for say under 18s - where would you draw the line? Is horse riding more or less risky statistically? What about gymnastics? I went to visit someone in a specialist spinal injury unit and every single person in there and they all had life limiting conditions were there as a result of a motorbike accident.

I think there is a difference for things that cause risk to other people. Driving does. Gymnastics doesn’t. Skiing does.

I think there’s a case for having to get your “skiing licence” before you’re allowed up the mountain without an instructor. Not sure how this would work practically but I can see the benefits

treesandsun · 24/02/2025 16:10

Risks exist for most things - if you ban skiing for say under 18s - where would you draw the line? Is horse riding more or less risky statistically? What about gymnastics? I went to visit someone in a specialist spinal injury unit and every single person in there and they all had life limiting conditions were there as a result of a motorbike accident.

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 16:08

Mielikki · 24/02/2025 16:06

This is like saying you've been put off driving for life because you saw what happened to Ayrton Senna. Reinstadler died during race training and was going at over twice the speed that the average recreational skier would be going.

Safety nets are only used in races, and the design has been much improved over the 30+ years since Reinstadler's death.

No it isn't. It's like saying you've been put off taking up motor racing. Not regular driving.

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Mielikki · 24/02/2025 16:06

namechangetheworld · 24/02/2025 14:44

After seeing footage of professional skier Gernot Reinstadler being literally sliced in half at the groin by the safety barrier, I've been put off skiing for life. I'm sure accidents are few and far between but I'll never get that image out of my head.

This is like saying you've been put off driving for life because you saw what happened to Ayrton Senna. Reinstadler died during race training and was going at over twice the speed that the average recreational skier would be going.

Safety nets are only used in races, and the design has been much improved over the 30+ years since Reinstadler's death.

sunbum · 24/02/2025 15:54

WendyFromTransvisionWamp · 24/02/2025 14:50

He was skiing off piste and a hit a big rock. Off piste always comes with much higher risks. He was not pootling down a leisurely green.

Wearing a helmet with a go pro camera attached - which pierced his brain when he fell. He likely would have been ok if he hadn't had that on his helmet - a pretty dumb thing to do but was common back then - you see much less of it now.

JoyousGreyOrca · 24/02/2025 15:53

It is true it will cover the UK. But only any additional costs over the NHS.

sunbum · 24/02/2025 15:49

Scottishskifun · 24/02/2025 14:42

If you have a annual multi-trip policy with Winter cover then it usually includes the UK most people don't realise as they don't check home countries on policy documents.

Thats good to know - wouldn't have ocurred to me

peeweemermaid · 24/02/2025 15:30

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 23/02/2025 23:27

It's the way people wang on as if it's so bloody marvellous that gets me. It's dangerous and irresponsible and even if statistically you might not have a high chance of dying, I think you have a pretty high chance of getting hurt. I realise life is to be lived and it's not completely risk free. I just don't understand why so many people would actively choose to let their whole family do something that is so high risk. When it goes wrong it's not just a broken arm or ankle, it's brain damage.

Do you allow your children to cross a road, ride a bike, go swimming or perhaps you wrap them in bubble wrap and fear everything. Sound like you are loads of fun

thedogatethecattreats · 24/02/2025 15:29

namechangetheworld · 24/02/2025 14:44

After seeing footage of professional skier Gernot Reinstadler being literally sliced in half at the groin by the safety barrier, I've been put off skiing for life. I'm sure accidents are few and far between but I'll never get that image out of my head.

don't worry, even if you are caught in an avalanche, I doubt you'll ever manage to reach his speed

Lovelysummerdays · 24/02/2025 15:27

PointsSouth · 24/02/2025 09:01

…the reasoning here doesn’t add up at all.

People who worry about how they're going to put food on the table or heat their house are far more likely to be risk averse.

I’d like to see some evidence of that.

It would be just as convincing to say that people who live tough lives are likely to be less risk averse because they have less to lose, or they have more reason to chase excitement, or they are more aware that life is arbitrary, or…..I could go on suggesting correlations, just as you have.

My experience of a tough life would suggest to me that my suggestions are more probable than yours, but you’d disagree, I imagine. Which would suggest that it’s nothing to do with tough life, but personality type.

Speaking of which, I’ve never been in the least tempted by a skiing holiday, because I know that, regardless of whether or not I enjoyed it, on Monday evening I’d be thinking, “Wait - I’m supposed to do that same thing every day?”

I’d agree with you I think the poorest in society often turn to cigarettes, alchohol, drugs. All relatively cheap methods of escapism when life is shitty.

I saw a documentary in Eastern Europe where they were drinking some crazy poisonous concoction that’ll make your teeth fall out and you become really shakey and eventually kill you. It’s a cheap high though as it’s a couple of euros. What’s more thrilling than Russian roulette?

Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2025 15:19

Ive never heard of Gernot Reinstadler but Wikipedia says the holes in the safety netting have been reduced after his accident.

Like every sport has got safer over the years usually after soon poor sod has had a horrific accident.

Flustration · 24/02/2025 15:13

namechangetheworld · 24/02/2025 14:44

After seeing footage of professional skier Gernot Reinstadler being literally sliced in half at the groin by the safety barrier, I've been put off skiing for life. I'm sure accidents are few and far between but I'll never get that image out of my head.

That's not really comparable to someone on a ski holiday.

For example:

After seeing footage of professional driver Anthoine Hubert sustaining unsurvivable injuries, I've been put off driving for life. I'm sure accidents are few and far between but I'll never get that image out of my head

Gernot was racing.

Yes, skiing accidents happen. Yes, it's good to constantly review our attitude towards this risk. However, we need data not hyperbolic anecdotes if we are to draw any conclusions.

BelleGibson · 24/02/2025 15:00

We have just come back from skiing with two children (age 10 and 12) yes there is a risk, as with everything in life. Again, like all aspects of life you get the crazy person who doesn’t follow rules and skis far too fast with no control, I see this every time! I was thinking why can’t there be a compulsory online course that all adults have to take, in their native language, similar to a speed awareness course, to highlight the dangers, making sure skiers are looking ahead, how to make a judgement on speed (or even there should be a limit on speed) knowing where to stand in a safe place if waiting for someone, basic rules on the slope etc etc. Consequently a ski pass can only be bought if this course has been completed! At the moment it’s a free for all… I can’t believe something like this doesn’t already exist. It is then up to the parents to educate their children on skiing safely. It can be done. I am an extremely cautious person but I too worry about fast idiots skiing into me. I always ski at a pace I can stop at if needed! Very upsetting for the parents of this poor boy.

Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2025 14:55

Lovelysummerdays · 24/02/2025 14:37

I don’t tbh. I don’t even know where I’d buy such a thing. Tbh if you were in a serious accident it’d be an air ambulance to NHS hospital. Anything less would be a first sided on site and getting in a car or possibly an ambulance to local hospital. I don’t really think insurance would cover you if you could get nhs treatment. I think you can get insurance for the kit and I have a friend who is a dentist who has his hands insured against breakages and injuries.

I've never had winter sports cover in Scotland. It's no different to hill walkers, climbers, horse riders, car accident in a rural area. You'd be transported best way possible and treated under the NHS.

Winter sports cover is just an additional premium because the insurance companies recognise you are more likely to be injured. And if you need hospital care or have to rearrange flights home etc

WendyFromTransvisionWamp · 24/02/2025 14:50

GingerBeverage · 24/02/2025 14:47

Michael Schumacher. 😔An experienced sportsman at the peak of his strength, health, flexibility, and reflexes. Wearing a helmet.

He was skiing off piste and a hit a big rock. Off piste always comes with much higher risks. He was not pootling down a leisurely green.

GingerBeverage · 24/02/2025 14:47

namechangetheworld · 24/02/2025 14:44

After seeing footage of professional skier Gernot Reinstadler being literally sliced in half at the groin by the safety barrier, I've been put off skiing for life. I'm sure accidents are few and far between but I'll never get that image out of my head.

Michael Schumacher. 😔An experienced sportsman at the peak of his strength, health, flexibility, and reflexes. Wearing a helmet.

Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2025 14:47

sunbum · 24/02/2025 14:24

Yeah exactly. We have alsways skied an cycled with our kids and I scuba dive etc. My poor sister, who did no physical activities, died overnight in bed due to an undiagnosed heart issue. Proportionality and risk awareness vs risk averity is key for me.

Bless her. It's just so sad when someone dies so young for no good reason.

You can't life like saying you're not going to do something incase of accident, it would cause a crippling level of anxiety