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So fed up of stories like this every single year. Stupid bloody Skiing.

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ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 23/02/2025 23:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14427223/British-schoolboy-14-killed-skiing-accident-northern-Italy.html

This poor lad, only 14 years old, crashes headlong into a tree at speed and dies of chest injuries right in front of his parents.

What's so fucking great about skiing? Every year without fail there are stories like this and I'm sick of them. I know someone who became permanently disabled and slightly brain damaged after a skiing accident in his 20s.

As parents we don't encourage our kids to get into cars and drive them at speed round a race track with very little training every half term in February do we? We don't stick them on the backs of race horses and slap their arses and watch them go over hurdles. We don't encourage them to dive off high cliffs into the sea below and hope that they manage to miss the rocks as they land. So why do we continually let them hurl down mountainsides at god knows how many miles an hour, hoping that they manage not to collide with a tree or hit their heads on a rock?

I don't get it. I never will. However 'fun' it might be it can't possibly be worth the stupid level of risk.

OP posts:
Natsku · 24/02/2025 07:44

YRGAM · 24/02/2025 05:46

If it's worldwide, this statistic will include cross country skiing, which is regularly done by huge amounts of Scandinavians and Europeans and is no more dangerous than going for a jog.

The fatality rate for downhill skiing, which is the type of skiing posters in this thread are talking about, is enormously higher than that

Dunno about it being no more dangerous than going for a jog - my DD fell while cross country skiing and managed to kick herself in the eye with her ski! Can't really injured yourself like that jogging.

cakeorwine · 24/02/2025 07:44

It's an awful story.

However, you don't hear the stories of the people who went on holiday, had a week skiing and came home. It's in the news because of what happened.

Many people go hill walking and tragically some people die when falling off certain routes such as Crib Goch.

People go scuba diving and some people die doing that.

There are sports that people do and die doing. But it's rare.

And people enjoy doing those sports.

KimberleyClark · 24/02/2025 07:43

The driving comparison is stupid. Most people don’t drive purely for fun, they do it to get to places they want to go.

Flustration · 24/02/2025 07:42

YRGAM · 24/02/2025 05:46

If it's worldwide, this statistic will include cross country skiing, which is regularly done by huge amounts of Scandinavians and Europeans and is no more dangerous than going for a jog.

The fatality rate for downhill skiing, which is the type of skiing posters in this thread are talking about, is enormously higher than that

I've just had a thorough google and the death/serious injury rate per 1000 people for alpine (ie downhill) skiing is variously either the same as or lower than football, depending on how measured.

Although I'm not sure whether that proves skiing is lower risk than assumed, or football higher risk!

WhiteLily1 · 24/02/2025 07:41

pearbottomjeans · 24/02/2025 07:39

Skiing is for people who don’t have enough risk in their daily lives.

(Obviously not talking about people who ski daily and are actually good at it! The risk then is obviously low. A week a year isn’t the same thing)

I can’t imagine sending my kids off sliding down a mountain. A very irresponsible risk indeed.

Edited

Secondary school kids cycling to school is for families who don’t have enough risk in their lives. Plenty of safer ways to get to school and the daily risk far outweighs a ski trip IMO

sevenIsNewEight · 24/02/2025 07:41

Lourdes12 · 24/02/2025 07:32

Did the accident happen despite wearing a helmet? I know he could have hit the tree and still die but still why do so many people from the UK not wear a helmet when skiing, ice skating, roller skating? Its insane

It says chest injury. The speed must had been huge.

And it must have happen at a generally safe part of the slope, probably getting out of the slope to the side, not just downwards, because all the tricky places are secured with padding and nets and everything.

WhiteLily1 · 24/02/2025 07:40

PlumBear · 24/02/2025 07:13

I’m not sure it really matters now experienced you are. When I was in secondary school, a boy two years older than me was on a skiing holiday with his family. He had a fairly minor fall but unfortunately landed on an area of quite thin snow with stone underneath. He died of his head injuries. He was 16. I can still remember his devastated parents and his sister, who was in my year. I agree with you, OP. It’s just not worth it.

That’s awful, but why was he on such a thin part of snow? The main / easy slopes are not thin with rocks under them. Also, why was he not wearing a helmet?

pearbottomjeans · 24/02/2025 07:39

Skiing is for people who don’t have enough risk in their daily lives.

(Obviously not talking about people who ski daily and are actually good at it! The risk then is obviously low. A week a year isn’t the same thing)

I can’t imagine sending my kids off sliding down a mountain. A very irresponsible risk indeed.

Nodddy · 24/02/2025 07:38

Children die doing all sorts of things. Sport. Travel. Car. Skiing. Hockey. Biking to school.

Suspect more children are caused by idiotic car drivers than by them skiing.

So what level of risk do you think is acceptable?

SkiingIsHeaven · 24/02/2025 07:37

The OP was asking why you would put your kids in danger. My kids love skiing and ask if we can go.

They learned at a young age and respect the mountains and know their limits.

We are not forcing our children to ski. It is a fantastic family holiday. No electronics while skiing, just happy chatting.

I'd rather die doing something exhilarating in beautiful surroundings than die of boredom on a beach.

Each to their own.

ProfessionalPirate · 24/02/2025 07:37

Funnywonder · 24/02/2025 07:10

I don’t think this is a reasonable comparison. Obesity is a disease. Sports injuries are the result of accidents.

Obesity might be a disease but it is caused essentially by people making poor lifestyle choices. Yes, there might be other factors at play such as MH, but this is still what it boils down to.

Perhaps obese people are compelled to eat in the same way that extreme(ish) sports enthusiasts are compelled to participate in exhilarating activities?

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 24/02/2025 07:36

Lourdes12 · 24/02/2025 07:32

Did the accident happen despite wearing a helmet? I know he could have hit the tree and still die but still why do so many people from the UK not wear a helmet when skiing, ice skating, roller skating? Its insane

He was wearing a helmet. Sounds like a very unfortunate accident

WhiteLily1 · 24/02/2025 07:36

Name one? Does it involve not getting off your sofa? Because pretty much anything else that gets you out of the house for fun is taking a risk.

Honestly, I’m surprised some people on this thread haven’t said ‘well I would never take my child in a car, far too dangerous.’ That’s how ridiculous you sound.
You are telling me that if your child was offered an amazing all paid ski trip with full lessons and food included you would take it?

Lourdes12 · 24/02/2025 07:32

Did the accident happen despite wearing a helmet? I know he could have hit the tree and still die but still why do so many people from the UK not wear a helmet when skiing, ice skating, roller skating? Its insane

runningpram · 24/02/2025 07:31

You can actually ski v cheaply. You can get a cheap Ryanair flight to Oslo (one hour, starts at around £20). There is a lovely winter park a few minutes out the centre with slopes for beginners and intermediate where you can hire skis, take lessons. It is not the Val D’Isere but it is lovely and fun and a nice controlled environment if you are a typical UK skier who goes once every few years and has limited skill/experience. I would not recommend above paying thousands and then feeling you have to push yourself to get your money’s worth. Also Don’t agree that if you don’t start from birth every week you cant ski - what nonsense! Yes you can’t go off piste or do black runs but you can still have exercise and lots of fun!

sevenIsNewEight · 24/02/2025 07:29

It is partially effect of severe skiing injuries being rare enough to be interesting for news. Do you think everyone who gets similarly hurt while cycling makes the headlines?

And vast majority of skiing injuries are knees and broken arms.

As a child I spent a week every year at large skiing camp, 100+ people 8-16yo. Nothing competitive; in my country (central Europe) it was just one of the ways to spend the holiday week. I don't remember any serious injury happening there, we rather behaved on the slopes and were silly in the evenings.

Skiing comes with a unique experience of nature - breathtaking views in the middle of snowy tops of mountains, discovering next valleys.
Physically, skiing is about very direct connection between the surface and your movement, you feel what is under your feet and react. The combination of speed and control can bring big emotions and be very enjoyable.

At the same time it is absolutely possible to pick a quite safe way - stop only at places with good visibility, don't go off the slope, adjust speed to conditions, don't get into too dense crowd.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 24/02/2025 07:28

NotDonna · 24/02/2025 07:25

I’m guessing you won’t allow your DC to learn to drive then? Far more dangerous.

But they can’t drive when they are 14 can they?

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 24/02/2025 07:27

Tabbsi · 23/02/2025 23:35

I am Scandinavian and we are taught to ski very young and it’s always been a part of life. I live in the UK now and find it so weird that British people love to ski, it’s not part of their landscape like in Scandinavian countries of parts of France or indeed elsewhere so it’s odd to me, it seems a sort of aspirational thing to do for British people I guess

I think this is exactly the problem. You’ve hit the nail on the head. It’s not part of our landscape so it’s not a necessity to learn properly - just enough for one week a year. Then they get cocky and don’t treat the skiing practice with the respect it needs. It’s seen as pure “fun” and competitive. I bet a lot of British kids race their parents or are encouraged to go fast.

NotDonna · 24/02/2025 07:25

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 23/02/2025 23:27

It's the way people wang on as if it's so bloody marvellous that gets me. It's dangerous and irresponsible and even if statistically you might not have a high chance of dying, I think you have a pretty high chance of getting hurt. I realise life is to be lived and it's not completely risk free. I just don't understand why so many people would actively choose to let their whole family do something that is so high risk. When it goes wrong it's not just a broken arm or ankle, it's brain damage.

I’m guessing you won’t allow your DC to learn to drive then? Far more dangerous.

mamajong · 24/02/2025 07:25

Seriously?? I don't ski personally but know people who go every year without incident, and the accidents among my friend group have been inconvenient but not serious. Equally I know people who've suffered life changing injuries playing sports like football, hockey and netball. I know far more people whose kids spend every day playing video games who are obese at under 16 and are highly likely to suffer life long medical issues because of that. Live and let live - life can be dangerous but it would be a miserable life wrapped up in cotton wool!

HelmholtzWatson · 24/02/2025 07:25

YRGAM · 24/02/2025 05:39

The driving analogy is a really poor one - almost everyone who drives/gets in a car does it because they need to in order to get somewhere. Skiing is a hobby, there's no corresponding need to do it

most people can get the bus or train though, which is statistically much safer.

DarlTon · 24/02/2025 07:19

Tabbsi · 23/02/2025 23:35

I am Scandinavian and we are taught to ski very young and it’s always been a part of life. I live in the UK now and find it so weird that British people love to ski, it’s not part of their landscape like in Scandinavian countries of parts of France or indeed elsewhere so it’s odd to me, it seems a sort of aspirational thing to do for British people I guess

I am British, live in the UK and there's ski resorts not far from where I live where I used to go skiing every year.

ExIssues · 24/02/2025 07:18

Nanny1983 · 23/02/2025 23:34

Maybe everyone who does extreme sports should be made to have proper insurance at all times so that our NHS isn’t picking up the costs if people want to go ahead and do these dangerous sports .
I know people go abroad and take out insurance but what about people who do the sports in the uk ?

Maybe everyone who's obese or has poor mental health due to lack of activity should also pay more for the NHS?
Or this who are too scared to walk cycle or use public transport and therefore drive everywhere should pay more to compensate for their damaging habit?

Life is not meant to be risk free.

Blubbles · 24/02/2025 07:17

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 23/02/2025 23:27

It's the way people wang on as if it's so bloody marvellous that gets me. It's dangerous and irresponsible and even if statistically you might not have a high chance of dying, I think you have a pretty high chance of getting hurt. I realise life is to be lived and it's not completely risk free. I just don't understand why so many people would actively choose to let their whole family do something that is so high risk. When it goes wrong it's not just a broken arm or ankle, it's brain damage.

If you drive and drive your family are, they're at .ore risk of being injured than skiing.

KimberleyClark · 24/02/2025 07:16

I remember being very upset hearing about a boy who died on a school ski trip falling off a 500 foot precipice. I think this was in the 80s sometime. I mean what the fuck was he doing anywhere near it?