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So fed up of stories like this every single year. Stupid bloody Skiing.

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ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 23/02/2025 23:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14427223/British-schoolboy-14-killed-skiing-accident-northern-Italy.html

This poor lad, only 14 years old, crashes headlong into a tree at speed and dies of chest injuries right in front of his parents.

What's so fucking great about skiing? Every year without fail there are stories like this and I'm sick of them. I know someone who became permanently disabled and slightly brain damaged after a skiing accident in his 20s.

As parents we don't encourage our kids to get into cars and drive them at speed round a race track with very little training every half term in February do we? We don't stick them on the backs of race horses and slap their arses and watch them go over hurdles. We don't encourage them to dive off high cliffs into the sea below and hope that they manage to miss the rocks as they land. So why do we continually let them hurl down mountainsides at god knows how many miles an hour, hoping that they manage not to collide with a tree or hit their heads on a rock?

I don't get it. I never will. However 'fun' it might be it can't possibly be worth the stupid level of risk.

OP posts:
NetZeroZealot · 24/02/2025 08:57

1Skiing has not been an ‘aspirational’ holiday since the 1980s. People from a huge variety of backgrounds and income levels go on skiing holidays now.
2 Most skiers are well aware of the risk and take out winter sports insurance before they go.
3 ‘Off piste’ is not intrinsically dangerous. It’s an accepted part of the sport . Ski resorts have avalanche warnings ( flashing lights by the lift) if conditions are not advisable for off piste

CautiousLurker01 · 24/02/2025 08:56

CautiousLurker01 · 24/02/2025 00:14

Sorry but YABU. I fell off a slide in the local park at the age of 9. Was in a coma for 10 days. Children fall off slides everyday. Should we ban those - after all, more children play on slides than go skiing? Even factoring in snow bound countries where skiing is a way of life/necessary skill on a par with cycling… being hit by a car, falling off a slide or falling down the stairs are more common causes of death and disability than skiing.

In fact here are some stats: between 1980-2001, 149 under 21s were killed in the US from skiing. 3400 children were killed or injured in the UK in 2022 alone.

Edited

Typo. Should have said 3400 children were killed/injured in car accidents in the UK in 2022 alone 🤦🏽‍♀️

EdithBond · 24/02/2025 08:56

Bluebellwood129 · 24/02/2025 08:29

Lots of British people are taught to ski at a young age and it's a part of life for them, as is owning a horse and riding. I'm not sure where you go the idea that it's 'aspirational'. It's not expensive to go on a skiing holiday compared with many other types of holidays.

Not ‘lots’. About 10% of UK population ski. 4% ride horses.

The average cost of a ski holiday exceeds £1k per person. Most families can’t afford that. Over 40% of people can’t afford a summer holiday.

There are all sorts of ill-informed claims on this thread. People don’t seem to understand probability or statistics. Like the fella on Question Time who thought £80k was an average salary lol.

Conversely, just because you know someone who’s been killed or maimed in an accident, it doesn’t mean it’s likely to happen to you. And if you don’t participate in a riskier sport, it doesn’t mean you’re ignorant, obese, unfit or read the Daily Fail.

Flustration · 24/02/2025 08:55

Washingupdone · 24/02/2025 08:22

Some people don’t obey the rules. I was with friends and their 45 year old son came back from a skiing trip saying how good it was off piste. They were oohing and ahhing in admiration. I was horrified but didn’t say anything as it wouldn’t be welcome. Don’t people realize that through their selfishness, the new snow could be unstable and cause danger to other innocent skiers below.

Skiers, who think they are good, go too fast on learners slopes or go down slopes that are too difficult for their abilities, endangering others.

Children’s parents want their DC to go home with the next starred badge and are encouraged to go faster.

Well I suppose it’s their week’s holiday in the snow and it is a good business for the villages. Doctors go there to work during the holiday period to earn their salaries.

And yet I don't personally know any doctors who don't ski, whereas most doctors I know will not allow their children to have a garden trampoline. Perhaps there's also an element of classism in that!

Off piste is not outside the rules. All the resorts I know actively advertise their off piste offerings. Some resorts used to put their most popular off piste routes on the piste maps - although I haven't seen this for years (and for good reason I think!)

Of course it is possible to ski off piste irresponsibility and to ski on piste outside your ability level. Ski patrol are pretty good at enforcing the rules, but their effectiveness can vary from resort to resort.

Being young and male is a risk factor as is being under the influence of alcohol. This is true of many activities sadly. You can identify the average age of male puberty in a country by the spike in the accident rate.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/02/2025 08:55

Icepop79 · 23/02/2025 23:36

As with everything, it depends how you do it. I’ve gone many many times and have never had anything worse than a bruised butt. I know my limits, take my time, stop when I’m getting tired. I’m vigilant around me and will take precautions if I see someone further up the slope who looks like they’re not in control. My kids have been taught the same and have never had an injury. We all always wear helmets. I never used to, but now it feels very strange not to - a bit like not having a seatbelt on in the car.

My husband did once do his knee in - he was showing off with his mates, ski-ing too fast. Completely his fault for being a knob.

I absolutely love it (can’t afford to go anymore and miss it badly). I love the alpine fresh air, the sun on your face, the sparkling snow. It’s not for everyone and I agree, there are risks. But there are risks with all sports - I came closer to dying in the sea in Devon than I ever had on a mountain.

Yeah, I've come close to dying in the sea in Devon three times (once as an adult). Worst I've ever done skiing is twist my knee.

Washingupdone · 24/02/2025 08:53

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 24/02/2025 08:39

Going off piste is a perfectly normal thing to do. The instructors take you off piste frequently.

Sorry, I wasn’t making myself clear, people without an instructor.

Mielikki · 24/02/2025 08:50

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 24/02/2025 08:39

Going off piste is a perfectly normal thing to do. The instructors take you off piste frequently.

This. I think some people when they hear “off piste” assume you are going full Glen Plake which is very different from the reality which for most people is never out of sight of a groomed piste.

Lovelysummerdays · 24/02/2025 08:50

howaboutchocolate · 24/02/2025 08:41

Isn't the point that you have to have training to do other risky activities like driving and horse riding before you can do the riskier elements. With skiing it seems like you can do a couple of hours of lessons then hurtle down a mountain if you want to when you don't have the necessary skills.

I think that’s down to the individual though. My kids put in a lot of time at the dry slope doing ski camps before they went abroad. Possibly because he’s paid their instructor over there said lots of nice things about their ability and mainly took them on the red runs. They felt quite safe and it was within their ability levels. They did have people out on the slopes, one guy bashed into someone else on a red as should of been on blues and they confiscated his ski pass.

faffadoodledo · 24/02/2025 08:48

I think it's a very aspirational thing for Brits. It marks entry into the middle class for some. We've had weird looks at parties where p[eople have expressed incredulity taht we don't ski! It just hasn't happened though. We do other outdoorsy things.

I have tried it - lived somewhere where cross country skiing was the thing to do, and got quite good at that. But haven't felt the urge in the last 30 years since!
And yet I have so many friends who ski and have never been injured.
It's not taht I don't enjoy a bit of adrenaline. I love a zip line. But skiing seems like a faff more than anything else.

Sapienza · 24/02/2025 08:48

@Goldenbear, if your excessive posting on mumsnet is anything to go by, you clearly do not see the link.

Bobbie1976 · 24/02/2025 08:46

I can think of nothing worse!

Brefugee · 24/02/2025 08:44

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 23/02/2025 23:27

It's the way people wang on as if it's so bloody marvellous that gets me. It's dangerous and irresponsible and even if statistically you might not have a high chance of dying, I think you have a pretty high chance of getting hurt. I realise life is to be lived and it's not completely risk free. I just don't understand why so many people would actively choose to let their whole family do something that is so high risk. When it goes wrong it's not just a broken arm or ankle, it's brain damage.

to be fair it is bloody marvellous - whizzing down a slope, maybe doing a bit of a slalom, and then the chair lift back to the top. It is thrilling. Really gets the endorphins racing.

Kdub · 24/02/2025 08:44

So glad I'm reading this after my daughter is back from her school ski trip. We have never skied as a family, not really fancied it but she had an amazing time and thankfully not one of the kids had any injuries.

WorriedRelative · 24/02/2025 08:41

As someone who rides horses I don't feel I can comment upon the safety risks of sports. They are pretty much all safer than hopping on the back of an unpredictable prey animal that travels at 30mph and hurtling at solid obstacles.

howaboutchocolate · 24/02/2025 08:41

Isn't the point that you have to have training to do other risky activities like driving and horse riding before you can do the riskier elements. With skiing it seems like you can do a couple of hours of lessons then hurtle down a mountain if you want to when you don't have the necessary skills.

Saveusernsme · 24/02/2025 08:39

Goldenbear · 24/02/2025 08:10

My children aren't stuck inside, they are thin, do partake in activities that are physical but they aren't as risky as skiing. They also find fulfillment in non sport activities, play instruments for example. I don't know why not horse riding or skiing would mean you are obese or stuck on a phone.

Not sure what you mean?

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 24/02/2025 08:39

Washingupdone · 24/02/2025 08:22

Some people don’t obey the rules. I was with friends and their 45 year old son came back from a skiing trip saying how good it was off piste. They were oohing and ahhing in admiration. I was horrified but didn’t say anything as it wouldn’t be welcome. Don’t people realize that through their selfishness, the new snow could be unstable and cause danger to other innocent skiers below.

Skiers, who think they are good, go too fast on learners slopes or go down slopes that are too difficult for their abilities, endangering others.

Children’s parents want their DC to go home with the next starred badge and are encouraged to go faster.

Well I suppose it’s their week’s holiday in the snow and it is a good business for the villages. Doctors go there to work during the holiday period to earn their salaries.

Going off piste is a perfectly normal thing to do. The instructors take you off piste frequently.

Bluebellwood129 · 24/02/2025 08:35

Funnywonder · 24/02/2025 08:29

There definitely are other factors at play, not just poor choices and mental health issues. It is much more complex than previously thought.

I am not against people taking part in risky sports or other behaviour. It’s human nature. We’re all different. But I do take issue with people deciding who is more deserving of NHS treatment and in particular the poster who felt they needed to point out that obesity costs the NHS more money. It’s an irrelevant comparison.

Typical MN posters - forever banging on about NHS resources. It would be interesting to know how many of these people are actually net contributors to the country in terms of the tax they pay as individuals.

Mountainfrog · 24/02/2025 08:35

We know a few families who ski/used to ski, and within this relatively small sample size, skiers of moderate ability and all young, there’s been one ruptured ACL, one broken leg and very sadly one death, similar to the one described in the OP. I’ve been a couple of times prior to children and did love it, but wouldn’t go now as I would be too scared.

Lovelysummerdays · 24/02/2025 08:34

Goldenbear · 24/02/2025 08:24

So skiing is the answer is it, even when you don't live in a are the world that has any snow. Surely you can make others choices to stop ones self from becoming obese.

Where I live in the UK skiing is one of the most accessible sports available. The (state) primary school has a dry ski slope in the grounds which is really good. The quality of the instructors is excellent. It’s run by the council and they do lots of lessons/ camps for less than ten pounds an hour including all kit hire.

It is a tough sport but I think it encourages dc to push themselves physically.

DoreenGrey · 24/02/2025 08:30

It’s a status symbol

Bluebellwood129 · 24/02/2025 08:29

Tabbsi · 23/02/2025 23:35

I am Scandinavian and we are taught to ski very young and it’s always been a part of life. I live in the UK now and find it so weird that British people love to ski, it’s not part of their landscape like in Scandinavian countries of parts of France or indeed elsewhere so it’s odd to me, it seems a sort of aspirational thing to do for British people I guess

Lots of British people are taught to ski at a young age and it's a part of life for them, as is owning a horse and riding. I'm not sure where you go the idea that it's 'aspirational'. It's not expensive to go on a skiing holiday compared with many other types of holidays.

Funnywonder · 24/02/2025 08:29

ProfessionalPirate · 24/02/2025 07:37

Obesity might be a disease but it is caused essentially by people making poor lifestyle choices. Yes, there might be other factors at play such as MH, but this is still what it boils down to.

Perhaps obese people are compelled to eat in the same way that extreme(ish) sports enthusiasts are compelled to participate in exhilarating activities?

There definitely are other factors at play, not just poor choices and mental health issues. It is much more complex than previously thought.

I am not against people taking part in risky sports or other behaviour. It’s human nature. We’re all different. But I do take issue with people deciding who is more deserving of NHS treatment and in particular the poster who felt they needed to point out that obesity costs the NHS more money. It’s an irrelevant comparison.

DeepFatFried · 24/02/2025 08:28

Goldenbear · 24/02/2025 08:20

Surely, the number of people who going skiing have some bearing on that.

One of my Dc has 3or 4 Orthopaedic Clinic appointments a year so over the years I have spent many hours watching people in and out.

Motorbike and football accidents seem to cause the most attendances. A huge number of football incidents all year round. Accidents at work. A big spike of fractures following an Icey spell. And a flurry of ski-ing fractures during the ski season. X-Ray and check up.

The motorbike accidents cause the worst in terms of lengthy very expensive treatment (multiple surgeries, a year in a fixator frame etc)

I would do all in my power to stop my kids getting a motorbike.

Goldenbear · 24/02/2025 08:27

0ohLarLar · 24/02/2025 08:23

Skiing injuries tend to be widely reported but statistically, serious injuries are quite rare.

There are also a huge number of serious injuries in sports like horseriding, from trampolines, gymnastics etc.

Life is, not, and will never be, risk free. It is always down to choice, some people would rather take a relatively small chance of injury and have an enjoyable life. There are also choices to be made that can minimise risk - wearing a chest protector and helmet, not skiing steep runs or off piste etc.

Again though 'enjoyable life' to me does not look like skiing or horse riding. 'Enjoyable life' is not only achieved via sports.

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