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So fed up of stories like this every single year. Stupid bloody Skiing.

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ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 23/02/2025 23:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14427223/British-schoolboy-14-killed-skiing-accident-northern-Italy.html

This poor lad, only 14 years old, crashes headlong into a tree at speed and dies of chest injuries right in front of his parents.

What's so fucking great about skiing? Every year without fail there are stories like this and I'm sick of them. I know someone who became permanently disabled and slightly brain damaged after a skiing accident in his 20s.

As parents we don't encourage our kids to get into cars and drive them at speed round a race track with very little training every half term in February do we? We don't stick them on the backs of race horses and slap their arses and watch them go over hurdles. We don't encourage them to dive off high cliffs into the sea below and hope that they manage to miss the rocks as they land. So why do we continually let them hurl down mountainsides at god knows how many miles an hour, hoping that they manage not to collide with a tree or hit their heads on a rock?

I don't get it. I never will. However 'fun' it might be it can't possibly be worth the stupid level of risk.

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Kissedbyfire1 · 24/02/2025 10:41

Louisetheroux · 24/02/2025 10:35

How have you been able to afford 25 weeks of skiing for yourself, school ski trips for your children (plural?), as well as separate summer holidays, if you're not wealthy?

People must have really different ideas on what constitutes wealthy

Because we usually don’t pay for our accommodation, being lucky to have generous friends.

Funnywonder · 24/02/2025 10:36

Lovelysummerdays · 24/02/2025 08:24

I think obesity is largely self inflicted, obviously there are exceptions for genetic conditions and some medication causes weight gain but the vast majority of people are lardy because they eat too much and don’t burn it off.

There’s no point in trying to point someone like you in the direction of some facts about the physiological nature of obesity, considering that you think it’s ok to call human beings lardy.

Louisetheroux · 24/02/2025 10:35

Kissedbyfire1 · 24/02/2025 10:29

Second best Wink. We are a professional equestrian household and to us the “risks” of skiing are as nothing compared to what DH (former international) takes every day, at work.
On the point of skills, I didn’t learn to ski until adulthood, but have gone from total beginner to top intermediate/ early advanced (grade 8 or 9 depending which scale you use) in around 20-25 weeks skiing. I have had one to one lessons whenever I have wanted to add a new skill or focus on a particular aspect of technique but don’t have lessons every holiday. We aren’t wealthy and know how to make our holidays as cheap as possible.
We ski off-piste using guides where needed e.g. Vallee Blanche, Mont Fort backside and also ski-tour. We also hike in the Alps in summer.
Our children started skiing with their schools and for one of them, this experience of the high mountains and being in a family with a high tolerance of risk, has led to a career in outdoor education.

As others have said, the beauty of skiing is that if you don’t want to do it you don’t have to, and other people doing it doesn’t affect you in any way.

How have you been able to afford 25 weeks of skiing for yourself, school ski trips for your children (plural?), as well as separate summer holidays, if you're not wealthy?

People must have really different ideas on what constitutes wealthy

TeenLifeMum · 24/02/2025 10:34

I imagine bike riding on roads is far riskier.

It’s terribly sad but if nobody took risks life would be rather dull.

Scottishskifun · 24/02/2025 10:31

MontyDonsBlueScarf · 24/02/2025 09:54

When it's taught well, skiing is a great activity for someone to learn about risk and safety. When I first learned, lessons always included reading the slope, reading the conditions and making judgments about how you were going to ski something within your capabilities. Also what to do and not do around heavy machinery like lifts and piste bashers, where it's safe to stop and so on. I don't know whether this is the case now as I no longer have group lessons but given that so many people don't seem to ski with even basic common sense, I suspect not.

Edited to add that I crossposted with @Scottishskifun - very happy to see that it's still taught, at least in Scotland.

Edited

Yes definitely all of the above still taught in lessons it's also part of the assessment system both in Scotland and ESF in France.

I know we are fortunate where we are as skiing is seen as another activity because its council prices so same as swimming lessons etc and that's definitely not true elsewhere in the UK.

We have met a few bravado dad's on shared accommodation holidays who are surprised at DS1 ski level but I point out that he does it week in week out!

I have skied for 20 years and I still take lessons every few years because the style of ski changes and its always good to brush up on techniques etc.

Kissedbyfire1 · 24/02/2025 10:29

1457bloom · 24/02/2025 07:14

Skiing is the best sport ever!

Second best Wink. We are a professional equestrian household and to us the “risks” of skiing are as nothing compared to what DH (former international) takes every day, at work.
On the point of skills, I didn’t learn to ski until adulthood, but have gone from total beginner to top intermediate/ early advanced (grade 8 or 9 depending which scale you use) in around 20-25 weeks skiing. I have had one to one lessons whenever I have wanted to add a new skill or focus on a particular aspect of technique but don’t have lessons every holiday. We aren’t wealthy and know how to make our holidays as cheap as possible.
We ski off-piste using guides where needed e.g. Vallee Blanche, Mont Fort backside and also ski-tour. We also hike in the Alps in summer.
Our children started skiing with their schools and for one of them, this experience of the high mountains and being in a family with a high tolerance of risk, has led to a career in outdoor education.

As others have said, the beauty of skiing is that if you don’t want to do it you don’t have to, and other people doing it doesn’t affect you in any way.

Notgivenuphope · 24/02/2025 10:28

Silvernutmeg70 · 24/02/2025 10:27

Yes!

Second letter E and last letter A?

Dramatic · 24/02/2025 10:28

Mnetcurious · 24/02/2025 09:42

It really is more aspirational than an all-inclusive to Spain, or a trip to Center Parcs - let’s be real! People aren’t telling their friends how fantastic their all-inclusive in Spain/CP was and that really should go, too. It’s bog-standard and not aspirational to most. They’re not posting pictures of Spain/CP on social media in the same way as people “show off” their pictures from the slopes. Skiing is very much the holiday/hobby du jour, maybe in future it will be seen as ordinary as your other examples but it’s not at the moment.

I mean, people in my social circle do exactly that. I actually don't know a single person who has been skiing, it's just not on the radar for many people

thedogatethecattreats · 24/02/2025 10:27

You can have a safe and boring life, and stay away from any potential risk.
And you end with life-changing injuries falling down the stairs, or slip on rocks during a safe and low key family walk and drown because you're wedged in.

Or you can have children - for a woman that's physically risky!, and do the sports you enjoy respecting the safety rules.

Just don't have kids because they do need a life and a bit of fun.

Hairoit · 24/02/2025 10:27

Franjipanl8r · 23/02/2025 23:37

Obesity is far more of a drain on the NHS than sports injuries in the UK. It’s inactivity rather than rare sporting injuries that’s more of an issue.

Yes this. Have the people posting about the horrors of skiing even tried it? There is no feeling like racing down the slopes. It’s exercise, fresh air and freedom. It’s expensive so I don’t do it now but I did as a teenager.

Sitting at home on a screen eating junk food doing no exercise is 100% more dangerous than going skiing. I’d also hazard a guess that skiers contribute much more money to the NHS than they take from it.

Silvernutmeg70 · 24/02/2025 10:27

Notgivenuphope · 24/02/2025 10:25

Won’t be too outing but does the company begin with an L?

Yes!

Notgivenuphope · 24/02/2025 10:25

Silvernutmeg70 · 24/02/2025 09:59

Me too - wonder whether we work for the same company? I am also dealing with lots of these reports at the minute. I've never fancied skiing but this work would definitely put me off if I did.

Won’t be too outing but does the company begin with an L?

Charlotte120221 · 24/02/2025 10:24

While this accident is awful, it does not make skiing as a sport universally awful.

This poor family have suffered, but there are accidents in every part of life. Skiing can be done responsibly and safely and as skiers we can ensure we are fit before we take part, and that we ski safely once in resort.

Done responsibly it is an amazing, life enhancing sport. It is not about being a yuppie or an idiotic dare devil, it is about being out in nature and experiencing it in a unique way.

There are lots of people on here sharing horror stories, but I have to say out of all the skiing holidays my family and I have ever been on (including the kids on their school and uni trips) I only know of one broken arm and one broken wrist. I don't believe that skiing is inherently more risky than any other active sport.

rhubarb007 · 24/02/2025 10:24

Hwi · 24/02/2025 10:14

This strange attitude to dangerous winter is prevalent in the UK - take ice-skating rinks popping up every winter - they invite novices to put on skates and proceed, without any training - shocking! The amount of injuries.....

Starts with 'treacherous conditions' when a bit of snow falls down and drivers being warned not to drive.
I remember it was c 2010 and about 5cm of snow fell down in London. Everything was shut. Trains/tube, people told to stock up. It was bonkers. Lasted about 3 days!

SerafinasGoose · 24/02/2025 10:23

Flustration · 24/02/2025 10:13

@SerafinasGoose I'm really sorry to hear about your accident. I've seen some nasty accidents including a rotational fall where the horse came down on a child. Fortunately there was no lasting damage to the child (or horse), but that was only down to luck really. I love horses, but they do also terrify me! I'm very thankful that none of my DC got into serious riding and competitions and so forth.

I think our risk assessments are often based on what we know, rather than statistics. Every accident statistic I can find points to riding having a higher risk of death and serious injury compared to alpine skiing. Perhaps because your skis don't have a mind of their own, unlike horses!

I hope you get your operation soon and manage to get back to some of the activities you love - you sound like a really lovely, fun person!

Thank you so much for that really kind post. It's given me a much-needed lift today. There are periods when the back pain flares and is definitely worse than others - now is one of those times - and I've just last week had confirmation that my consultant will remove the metalwork that's still causing these issues. So now perhaps at least an improvement is in sight and so I'm feeling a bit emotional today. I intend to frame those rods and screws and hang them in pride of place in my study at home - goodness knows they're causing a lot of pain and restricted mobility now - but they are what saved my mobility in the first place and I will never not be grateful.

Of course, everyone's risks vs. benefits assessments will differ. I've also taken some really crazy and unacceptable risks when I was young and stupid, and been fine. The bad accident happened well into maturity.

The positive side is that I will always find alternative passions!

biscuitsandbooks · 24/02/2025 10:21

howaboutchocolate · 24/02/2025 08:41

Isn't the point that you have to have training to do other risky activities like driving and horse riding before you can do the riskier elements. With skiing it seems like you can do a couple of hours of lessons then hurtle down a mountain if you want to when you don't have the necessary skills.

There's no mandatory training for horse riding - anyone can buy a horse and get on.

As for driving, well, yes, ideally everyone should have a license but we all know that isn't true!

Dramatic · 24/02/2025 10:21

MumonabikeE5 · 23/02/2025 23:39

What do you do? Are you in good health and fitness?

I go to the gym and do plenty of walking

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 24/02/2025 10:19

CassandraWebb · 24/02/2025 09:03

I think what's changed in recent years is many people,. particularly I found " stag do like" groups of men, who are skiing way outside their ability level and with no respect for basic safety rules.

Control comes with lessons and practice some people want to skip those boring bits.

The level of risks varies hugely dependent on ability level and which slopes you pick.

At its best though it is an incredible,. exhilarating sport with the most incredible views and a fabulously international community

I was waiting for tests a few years ago and one of the possible outcomes was Motor Neurone Disease. As that played on my mind I remembered what a fabulous life full of adventure I had had, and in amongst those amazing memories were so many skiing trips. We all die one way or another. My children live with severe allergies, the mere act of eating food can kill them. I would never stop them skiing. When they did a sailing course the only time I worried about them was at meal times. Life is for living, not cowering away afraid of dying.

(But I wish the fuckwits would take some more lessons /know their limits)

Agree with this.

My kids have severe food allergies. They also ski race train every week.

I worry far more about sending them to school than the skiing.

newkettleandtoaster · 24/02/2025 10:17

Life involves risk and it's all about assessing and managing that risk.

HOWEVER, I don't necessarily disagree re skiing.

There is a reason why travel insurance always specifically asks "will you be skiing?"

SerafinasGoose · 24/02/2025 10:14

Louisetheroux · 24/02/2025 10:07

It's not a binary choice is it? Unless you are on a skiing holiday 365 days a year, your children could still be getting groomed over the internet.

As for childhood obesity...that's more prevalent in deprived areas. I wonder whether that's because they can't afford to go skiing, or if the reasons are a little more complex?

Agreed, @Louisetheroux.You don't go skiing, you're kid's going to become obese: that's quite the leap.

There are myriad other physical activities which kids undertake regularly, and holidays don't have to involve two weeks' lying on a lounger.

As for grooming and dangerous online content, if the recent story of the two teenage killers didn't alert every parent to the kind of material their kids might be consuming online, it should have. The internet is one area in which, as a parent, I'm extremely risk averse and for this I make no apology. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

Hwi · 24/02/2025 10:14

This strange attitude to dangerous winter is prevalent in the UK - take ice-skating rinks popping up every winter - they invite novices to put on skates and proceed, without any training - shocking! The amount of injuries.....

Flustration · 24/02/2025 10:13

@SerafinasGoose I'm really sorry to hear about your accident. I've seen some nasty accidents including a rotational fall where the horse came down on a child. Fortunately there was no lasting damage to the child (or horse), but that was only down to luck really. I love horses, but they do also terrify me! I'm very thankful that none of my DC got into serious riding and competitions and so forth.

I think our risk assessments are often based on what we know, rather than statistics. Every accident statistic I can find points to riding having a higher risk of death and serious injury compared to alpine skiing. Perhaps because your skis don't have a mind of their own, unlike horses!

I hope you get your operation soon and manage to get back to some of the activities you love - you sound like a really lovely, fun person!

waterproofed · 24/02/2025 10:11

People take risks every day.

What triggers you so much about skiing in particular? Why be so angry about other people’s choices that have no bearing on your life?

FruitPolos · 24/02/2025 10:09

Nanny1983 · 23/02/2025 23:34

Maybe everyone who does extreme sports should be made to have proper insurance at all times so that our NHS isn’t picking up the costs if people want to go ahead and do these dangerous sports .
I know people go abroad and take out insurance but what about people who do the sports in the uk ?

Well if we're going to go down that road...how about insurance for smokers, the overweight, alcohol users, or even the elderly... All huge users of the NHS.

It's a slippery slope when you start demanding charges from some parts of the population. Especially when those who do these sports are probably statistically most likely to use the NHS the least because of their level of fitness.

Louisetheroux · 24/02/2025 10:07

Unpaidviewer · 24/02/2025 09:17

We need to let our children do risky things. I'd rather take mine out skiing than have them sat in their rooms getting groomed over the Internet. This is why we now have a nation of overweight, unfit children who have MH problems and are lacking resilience.

Someone mentioned falking off a slide earlier in the thread. I doubt that could happen now because all play parks have been ripped out and replaced with ones that look like they were made for toddlers. So none of the local kids use it and instead have built some rope swing in the woods.

It's not a binary choice is it? Unless you are on a skiing holiday 365 days a year, your children could still be getting groomed over the internet.

As for childhood obesity...that's more prevalent in deprived areas. I wonder whether that's because they can't afford to go skiing, or if the reasons are a little more complex?

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