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So fed up of stories like this every single year. Stupid bloody Skiing.

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ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 23/02/2025 23:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14427223/British-schoolboy-14-killed-skiing-accident-northern-Italy.html

This poor lad, only 14 years old, crashes headlong into a tree at speed and dies of chest injuries right in front of his parents.

What's so fucking great about skiing? Every year without fail there are stories like this and I'm sick of them. I know someone who became permanently disabled and slightly brain damaged after a skiing accident in his 20s.

As parents we don't encourage our kids to get into cars and drive them at speed round a race track with very little training every half term in February do we? We don't stick them on the backs of race horses and slap their arses and watch them go over hurdles. We don't encourage them to dive off high cliffs into the sea below and hope that they manage to miss the rocks as they land. So why do we continually let them hurl down mountainsides at god knows how many miles an hour, hoping that they manage not to collide with a tree or hit their heads on a rock?

I don't get it. I never will. However 'fun' it might be it can't possibly be worth the stupid level of risk.

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Blisteringlycold · 24/02/2025 11:23

God I'd rather die skiing (which I do twice a year and have done for 30 odd years) than die in a car on a road in the UK... which far more people do.

Being out of control and skiing (like an idiot)is as stupid as driving a car out of control and not something I would tolerate from my kids.

Accidents can and do happen, but risk can be controlled. Beyond that, live your life.

Louisetheroux · 24/02/2025 11:22

Dramatic · 24/02/2025 10:42

Quite. Plenty of people I know struggle to afford a weekend at Haven, not a chance of an abroad holiday and definitely no chance of skiing.

Exactly. And I'm pretty certain that families who go skiing in the February half term will also be enjoying a lovely holiday in the summer too.

Whether people want to admit it or not, skiing is the preserve of the firmly middle class and the wealthy. I don't know anybody who is a seasoned skier. DH went once on a school trip, and my brother went once as a late teen with friends (requiring surgery on his knee as a result). I can't think of anybody at all who has gone with children. It's just not the norm at all.

kattaduck · 24/02/2025 11:18

"Yes boxing is another one that frequently makes me put my head in my hands and sigh. Honestly, who'd have thought that yet another poor soul had sustained a serious brain injury from a 'sport' than involves being repeatedly punched in the head?

Like rugby? Which is actually more dangerous than skiing?
But I wouldn't actually start a thread using someone's child's death to push my agenda without maybe getting informed first.

Lovelysummerdays · 24/02/2025 11:14

JoyousGreyOrca · 24/02/2025 11:08

Only middle class Scottish people are skiing. Not your ordinary person as you imply.

I don’t think that’s true. We go to a council run dry slope next to a primary school. All the local kids have done skiing as part of P.E. After school courses / holiday camps are cheap and include equipment hire. I think if a sport is made easy / accessible then there’s decent uptake.

In my own , working class at best, primary we were bussed to Hillend dry ski slope for two terms in p6 to do lessons way back in the 80s. It’s not exactly a new thing.

sunbum · 24/02/2025 11:14

Horse riding, motorbikes, cycling on the road, driving a car, hockey, rugby There are lots of potentially dangerous activities, im not sure why your focusing on skiing in particular. And statistically, the vast majority of people die at home. Lots of people ski, not just wealthy people, mainly people with a professional income, I grant you, because its expensive.

The odd tragic accident, like the poor boy who died, are unusual and hence why they are reported in newspapers.

youwot · 24/02/2025 11:13

OP the fact is over half of all accidental deaths in the UK take place within the home. And for some reason people are falling over a lot more. RTAs are also increasing, despite safer cars. It's people not properly taking care in any activity not the activity itself. You are statistically more likely to die accidentally now than twenty years ago the ROSPA report makes for interesting reading.

The marathon runners - cardiac arrest is usually an undiagnosed heart condition that causes the death. Sometimes there can be factors like heat etc which has caused death. And it's not "almost always at least one" runner a year. There's been 13 deaths since 1981. That's one every 3 years. So you are suggesting it's a lot worse than it actually is.

www.rospa.com/news-and-views/preventable-accidents-in-the-uk-are-rising#:~:text=The%20rate%20of%20accidental%20deaths,up%2056%25)%20since%202013.

Bluebellwood129 · 24/02/2025 11:12

vitahelp · 24/02/2025 10:46

Ok providing people who drink alcohol and vape/smoke go private as well, and maybe throw in people who eat badly/don’t exercise - only fair.

While you're at it, don't forget anyone who 'chooses' to live in towns and cities - respiratory effects of pollution

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 11:12

SerafinasGoose · 24/02/2025 11:03

I didn't think we were talking about a wholesale ban on skiing, but I skimmed the thread and it could be that there are portions of it I missed. I thought this was simply an interesting conversation about our own personal benefits vs. risks calculations, which of course are going to be different for everyone. No one here is necessarily 'wrong'. Boxing is, I think, a different matter but that's another discussion.

I'm already looking forward to the prospect of a good old surf followed by one of the wonderful beach saunas that are currently popping up all over the place. Also, maybe a bit of wild swimming, and if it turns out I can no longer surf, I'll try body boarding instead. And whilst mountain skiing certainly doesn't appeal to me, the cross-country skiing beloved of Scandinavia does look like fun.

If you don't think the risks outweigh the benefits in some cases, there will always be some variation on a theme that looks at least nearly as good.

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Yes boxing is another one that frequently makes me put my head in my hands and sigh. Honestly, who'd have thought that yet another poor soul had sustained a serious brain injury from a 'sport' than involves being repeatedly punched in the head? Hmm

And everyone always sounds so bewildered and makes all the right noises about how tragic it is, how lessons must be learnt, like there wasn't a pretty bloody high likelihood of it happening eventually. I despair, I really do.

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JoyousGreyOrca · 24/02/2025 11:08

Tauranga · 24/02/2025 02:05

We are Scottish and my son skies every week, sometimes more, on a dry slope. Then they fo abroad for extra training. So it is part of life for some Brits, and Scotland is not far from anywhere in the UK really...

Only middle class Scottish people are skiing. Not your ordinary person as you imply.

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 11:08

TheKeatingFive · 24/02/2025 10:58

If skiing feels too risky for you, don't do it.

But I don't understand the hand ringing about anyone else having a go.

People cycling on busy roads in cities gives me the heebie jeebies, but I'm sure those doing it are more skilled than me and are assessing the risk. Everything in life carries risks, even lying in your bed.

I hate seeing people cycling on busy roads as well. That is MASSIVELY risky. Probably the riskiest of all. But again, while plenty of sensible cyclists get killed or injured because of drivers who are not paying adequate attention, plenty get killed or injured because of their own stupid and reckless behaviour and thinking that they are above having to heed the basic rules of the highway code. They take huge risks just to get ahead of traffic and avoid waiting at junctions.

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SerafinasGoose · 24/02/2025 11:03

I didn't think we were talking about a wholesale ban on skiing, but I skimmed the thread and it could be that there are portions of it I missed. I thought this was simply an interesting conversation about our own personal benefits vs. risks calculations, which of course are going to be different for everyone. No one here is necessarily 'wrong'. Boxing is, I think, a different matter but that's another discussion.

I'm already looking forward to the prospect of a good old surf followed by one of the wonderful beach saunas that are currently popping up all over the place. Also, maybe a bit of wild swimming, and if it turns out I can no longer surf, I'll try body boarding instead. And whilst mountain skiing certainly doesn't appeal to me, the cross-country skiing beloved of Scandinavia does look like fun.

If you don't think the risks outweigh the benefits in some cases, there will always be some variation on a theme that looks at least nearly as good.

TheKeatingFive · 24/02/2025 10:58

If skiing feels too risky for you, don't do it.

But I don't understand the hand ringing about anyone else having a go.

People cycling on busy roads in cities gives me the heebie jeebies, but I'm sure those doing it are more skilled than me and are assessing the risk. Everything in life carries risks, even lying in your bed.

Silvernutmeg70 · 24/02/2025 10:57

Notgivenuphope · 24/02/2025 10:56

Well there you go hahaha
nice to meet you colleague!

Nice to meet you too!

Notgivenuphope · 24/02/2025 10:56

Silvernutmeg70 · 24/02/2025 10:42

Yep!

Well there you go hahaha
nice to meet you colleague!

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 24/02/2025 10:55

Okay, lots of comments directed to me directly, it would take too long to quote and reply to each individually so I'll just address a few of them here:

Firstly, I am no inverted snob, there is no jealously or chippiness on my part and I can well afford to take any sort of holiday I choose and frequently do. I'm not going to outline this in explicit terms for you, you'll just have to take my word for it.

Secondly, yes I have been skiing, once. Didn't love it. DH quite likes it but not enough to insist we went as a family, and not enough to make a point of going without me.

Two of my children went with the school, (one skied, one snowboarded) they had fun but didn't get bitten by the bug. I loved the apres ski, the fresh air, the scenery, the food, the sitting in the sunshine in my padded gear and sunglasses with a hot chocolate or a gluwein in my hand. Didn't care for the skiing.

I completely agree with the poster who said it's 90% effort and faff and hanging around for 10% enjoyment. I didn't give it long enough to get good and perhaps when you are good it's much more rewarding, but even so, still 90% effort and faff. I think sailing looks the same if I'm honest. Anything where you spend more time and effort preparing to do the activity then packing up from the activity than the actual time spent doing it isn't worth it for me. Even the ski lifts seemed dangerous to me, as I recall. I am naturally quite risk averse and not an adrenaline junkie but I accept that others get their kicks and their most exhilerating life moments that way. I get mine from completely different things. Horses for courses.

Of course I let my children drive cars (well if they are old enough to drive a car they are old enough to make that decision irrespective of what I think anyway.) And of course I realise that there is risk every time we get in a car or a plane, or play football or anything else other than sitting at home doing nothing, which eventually carries its own very different sort of risk.

But there are lots of straw man arguments and false equivalences on this thread. The reason skiiing was not including in the top ten most dangerous activites in Britain is probably because only a small minority of Brits get to go skiing, compared to skate boarding or horse riding or playing rugby or whatever. If you looked at the figures for the Swiss or the Austrians it might show a very different picture.

When you took the number of people who downhill ski each year and the number of hours they spent doing it (very different in risk from cross country skiing I imagine) then broke it down into the number of injuries requiring medical treatment and fatalities and the number of hours per person spent doing it, I imagine the risk is significantly higher than for most other things that have been cited on this thread. Perhaps not worse than horseriding or rock climbing, or parkour, but still pretty risky. Just taking this thread alone, the number of people who have said they know someone personally who has died or been critically injured or left disabled from skiing is quite alarming. It would be interesting to know what the anecdotes would be like if I'd started a similar thread about horse riding or football or rugby.

People are saying that inexperienced skiiers are the risk to themselves or others. I am not sure that is always true. A very sensible skiier who doesn't push themselves too far too soon can still get wiped out or pushed off the slope into dangerous off piste territory in a moment of panic, by a very experienced but reckless adrenaline junkie who thinks he's invincible and loves the kudos of being the fastest one on the slope. This is akin to wreckless driving or aggressive tailgating in a very fast car. When an accident happens it's very often not the wreckless dick waver who pays the price. I have no idea how good a skier this poor lad was but it seems he hit a dip which then propelled him at very high speed and he lost control. Perhaps in a moment of panic people might just forget what they've been taught about how to slow down and come to a stop.

Several people have mentioned the 'Daily Mail' mentality and the 'Daily Mail narrative.' There is no DM mentality or narrative here. It's factual reporting of a true story, not a scaremongering opinion piece. It's been reported in other papers including the Telegraph. Someone even said it was a 'sensationalist DM headline' which I find pretty offensive. Someone's child has died by losing control on a ski slope. The facts haven't been ramped up for effect. Please tell me where the 'sensationalist' angle is there?

I realise life is for living and nothing is risk free, and I acknowledge the benefits of exercise, fresh air, blah blah. But I get this feeling in the pit of my stomach every ski season when there is inevitably a story like this about a British person dying or suffering catastrophic injuries. It's the same every time the London Marathon comes around and I brace myself because there is almost always at least one fun-runner every year who has pushed themselves too far because of the pressure to finish. They don't want to let their friends and family down, there's a sense of pride and ego attached and they've raised money for charity so they feel obliged to carry on until they collapse from a heart attack a couple of miles from the end, or shortly after finishing. And they often die.

They ignored all the warning signs thinking 'I'm running 26 miles, of course my chest hurts, I feel nauseous and I am breathless. I must just push on through or everyone will think I am a flaky loser.'

To the person who waxed lyrical about the freedom and the exihilaration, 'just me and the mountain' you are exactly the kind I was talking about when people 'wanging on about how amazing it is.' It's like a cult religion or something to you. But the thing is, it isn't just you and the mountain, is it? It's you and potentially a couple of hundred other people at any one time and any of you could lose control at any moment and be the reason someone else goes home on a stretcher, or worse, in a coffin.

Lastly, to those who have children going skiing with school shortly, please don't be too alarmed. If they are complete beginners they will be closely supervised and many will not make it off the nursery slopes. They'll be made to wear helmets and they almost certainly won't be skiing on the same runs as the big dick wavers, so the worst they are likely to suffer if an accident happens is a broken wrist or a bruised bum. Just tell them to be sensible, listen carefully to their instructors, don't be reckless but do enjoy themselves.

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vitahelp · 24/02/2025 10:52

thedogatethecattreats · 24/02/2025 10:49

I'd be curious to see the difference between the NHS bill for obesity and all obesity-related issues, and the bill for ski injuries.

Ski is hardly an "extreme sport". It can be, but it's just as likely about people pottering along the slopes.

Yes exactly, I’m tired of this argument about cyclists/skiers not being included in NHS provision, because they are taking a risk, while so many lead such an unhealthy lifestyle and think it’s fine for them to be treated!

TagSplashMaverick · 24/02/2025 10:52

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 23/02/2025 23:27

It's the way people wang on as if it's so bloody marvellous that gets me. It's dangerous and irresponsible and even if statistically you might not have a high chance of dying, I think you have a pretty high chance of getting hurt. I realise life is to be lived and it's not completely risk free. I just don't understand why so many people would actively choose to let their whole family do something that is so high risk. When it goes wrong it's not just a broken arm or ankle, it's brain damage.

Horse riding is dangrous. Bike riding is dangerous. Climbing frames can be dangerous. Swimming can be dangerous. Cricket can be dangerous. Rugby can be dangerous. Football can be dangerous, especially heading the ball. I think I’ve made my point.

With skiing, as with anything, you learn slowly. You don’t just chuck your kids down a black run.

I’ve seen someone break their neck playing rugby. I know someone with a brain injury from football. These things are deemed ‘normal’ sports.

Everything has risk. A ban on a sport because sometimes people get hurt, is mad.

Also, it’s skiing season, so those working in insurance or the medical translator who posted above, you’ll have a disproportionate cluster of cases. Because it’s seasonal.

Beehoon · 24/02/2025 10:51

Stupid bloody-
Teen street crime -> stabbings, car accidents rtc
Teen overdose from drugs
teens driving cars
teens drinking & doing stupid stuff & dying
teens taking own lives
teens dying during sports from undiagnosed heart defects
Teens drowning
etc

thedogatethecattreats · 24/02/2025 10:49

vitahelp · 24/02/2025 10:46

Ok providing people who drink alcohol and vape/smoke go private as well, and maybe throw in people who eat badly/don’t exercise - only fair.

I'd be curious to see the difference between the NHS bill for obesity and all obesity-related issues, and the bill for ski injuries.

Ski is hardly an "extreme sport". It can be, but it's just as likely about people pottering along the slopes.

vitahelp · 24/02/2025 10:46

Nanny1983 · 23/02/2025 23:34

Maybe everyone who does extreme sports should be made to have proper insurance at all times so that our NHS isn’t picking up the costs if people want to go ahead and do these dangerous sports .
I know people go abroad and take out insurance but what about people who do the sports in the uk ?

Ok providing people who drink alcohol and vape/smoke go private as well, and maybe throw in people who eat badly/don’t exercise - only fair.

DBD1975 · 24/02/2025 10:45

Life is all about the risks you are prepared to take and the risks you aren't. We can only try and minimise the risks as far as possible.
I have a work colleague who used to lambaste me for riding pillion on my husband's motorbike who happily took their children skiing every year (which I wouldn't do).

Flustration · 24/02/2025 10:44

SerafinasGoose · 24/02/2025 10:23

Thank you so much for that really kind post. It's given me a much-needed lift today. There are periods when the back pain flares and is definitely worse than others - now is one of those times - and I've just last week had confirmation that my consultant will remove the metalwork that's still causing these issues. So now perhaps at least an improvement is in sight and so I'm feeling a bit emotional today. I intend to frame those rods and screws and hang them in pride of place in my study at home - goodness knows they're causing a lot of pain and restricted mobility now - but they are what saved my mobility in the first place and I will never not be grateful.

Of course, everyone's risks vs. benefits assessments will differ. I've also taken some really crazy and unacceptable risks when I was young and stupid, and been fine. The bad accident happened well into maturity.

The positive side is that I will always find alternative passions!

Ouch! Yes, frame those rods!!

It sounds like you were just really bloody unlucky.

Slightly off-topic but what you said about risks and benefits reminded me of something I read years ago about driving risks. They had apparently found that we all have an individual risk level that we are comfortable with and adapt our driving to suit, and that putting someone in a 'safer' car does not lower their personal risk as they subconsciously adjust for it.

But sometimes we take all the precautions, assess the risk well and shit happens anyway. I'm sorry it happened to you. Onwards and upwards!

Kissedbyfire1 · 24/02/2025 10:43

And to be even more specific, @Louisetheroux not that it’s any of your business, our household income is around £70k pa, which by MN standards is practically poverty-stricken, and certainly isn’t “wealthy”.

Silvernutmeg70 · 24/02/2025 10:42

Notgivenuphope · 24/02/2025 10:28

Second letter E and last letter A?

Yep!

Dramatic · 24/02/2025 10:42

Louisetheroux · 24/02/2025 10:35

How have you been able to afford 25 weeks of skiing for yourself, school ski trips for your children (plural?), as well as separate summer holidays, if you're not wealthy?

People must have really different ideas on what constitutes wealthy

Quite. Plenty of people I know struggle to afford a weekend at Haven, not a chance of an abroad holiday and definitely no chance of skiing.