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Modern life is rubbish?

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MeanMrMustardSeed · 23/02/2025 21:20

I’m not been immune to this myself, so not pointing fingers. I just keep seeing the same things on here again and again, and I’m coming to the conclusion that Blur were on to something.

We saw the dream of 2 incomes, and bigger houses and newer cars, eating out and foreign holidays. Then because we were all doing it, houses got more expensive. Then we needed two cars as we had two jobs and lots of activities for the kids, but we couldn’t save up for them, or afford them, so we took out leases on them. In the good old days of low interest rates we bought bigger houses, and took out loans for extensions and spent the rest on a family holiday.

Now we have expensive lifestyles but less disposable income. We’re tied into paying off loans that seemed manageable 5 years ago, paying £100s for cars that just don’t seem to do it for us anymore as almost every other person has one anyway. But mostly we’re knackered from trying to manage it all.

Lots of us seem to dream of getting rid of 50% of our things, eating the same simple meals every week, saving slowly for house improvements and living with ‘okay’, and getting off the treadmill, or at least slowing it down. If modern life made us all happy, I could maybe accept it’s all fine, but that’s not the vibe I’m getting.

So is modern life rubbish, or have I messed up somewhere?

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LobeliaBaggins · 23/02/2025 22:42

I think you are being very binary. But I can also understand that like most people these days, you are likely exhausted by the CoL, the terrible news cycle and the neverending pissing rain. Personally, I would feel stressed trying to support 4 kids on one income.

DGPP · 23/02/2025 22:42

Decide your priorities and stick to them. For us it is experiences (and yes this includes what other people would regard as expensive holidays), time with our kids and nice food. Our house is smaller than lots of people’s and our car is getting old. But we know what we care about and prioritise that

MeanMrMustardSeed · 23/02/2025 22:31

Carinattheliqorstore1 · 23/02/2025 22:30

Also, I didn’t think Modern Life is Rubbish was Blur’s best album. Much preferred Parklife

You are absolutely right, although I was an Oasis girl myself!

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Carinattheliqorstore1 · 23/02/2025 22:30

Also, I didn’t think Modern Life is Rubbish was Blur’s best album. Much preferred Parklife

Carinattheliqorstore1 · 23/02/2025 22:29

MeanMrMustardSeed · 23/02/2025 22:27

I totally take your point. It‘a actually a debate I have with DP a lot. He thinks the past is this beautifully simple and benign place. I think the present is better and getting better all the time, so I guess that goes against my point about Modern Life being Rubbish. The answer to my own question is evidently complicated!

I don’t think it’s rubbish. I think we are lucky to be here, in this time and place where we are easily able to live in a safe, clean environment. Most people who have ever lived never had such luxury.

I need to also remind myself of these points when I start moaning

MeanMrMustardSeed · 23/02/2025 22:29

iamnotalemon · 23/02/2025 22:24

Also, I can highly recommend the Minimalists documentary and podcast. It's not just about material possessions, but more a way of life and living with less.

I love these guys!

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SunnyViper · 23/02/2025 22:27

Never felt pressure to keep up.

MeanMrMustardSeed · 23/02/2025 22:27

Carinattheliqorstore1 · 23/02/2025 22:19

do you have a toilet in your home? One that you can use in privacy and safety? Did your kids get fed today? Are they asleep in warm beds?

I totally take your point. It‘a actually a debate I have with DP a lot. He thinks the past is this beautifully simple and benign place. I think the present is better and getting better all the time, so I guess that goes against my point about Modern Life being Rubbish. The answer to my own question is evidently complicated!

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iamnotalemon · 23/02/2025 22:24

Also, I can highly recommend the Minimalists documentary and podcast. It's not just about material possessions, but more a way of life and living with less.

speakout · 23/02/2025 22:23

You have more choice and freedom than you think OP.

Buying stuff to make us happy is fake soulfood.

With each passing year my life becomes simpler- and I love it that way.
I have an old- but well maintained - runaround car, but my annual mileage is very low.
I rarely buy new clothes- most of my wardrobe is from charity shops. I use simple cosmetics and make up- ALDI usually.
I cook from scratch, and I don't give a rat's arse if people judge me for how I look or how I live my life.

MeanMrMustardSeed · 23/02/2025 22:23

LobeliaBaggins · 23/02/2025 22:13

4 children is very much a choice that is not compulsory.

Absolutely! My reflections are very much about our society, rather than my specific life. But it wasn’t meant as a criticism of others, so I wanted to say that I wasn’t immune myself.

We are actually a 1 income family with a SAHP and 2 cars that are 8+ years old. We have never holidayed abroad since having children and have no debt. Our home is worth 4x our annual income.

We try to resist modern life quite a bit, but even so, we don’t manage it entirely.

But as I look around me and at what the DC are seeing modelled to them in society, I am wondering is Modern Life Rubbish? I know it’s not a binary answer, but in interested in all the responses so far.

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iamnotalemon · 23/02/2025 22:22

I got into a lot of debt in my twenties trying to maintain a particular lifestyle. It was tough having to pay it back and since then I've learnt my lesson and could not give a fig what others have or how they live their lives.

I drive a car that's almost 15 years old. I don't drink, or spend unnecessarily on rubbish and have managed to save. Friends who spend a fortune on holidays/clothes/beauty treatments/new cars wonder how I've done it, like it's some miracle.

Charlize43 · 23/02/2025 22:19

Patterncarmen · 23/02/2025 21:51

It is. People buy things sometimes to fill an emotional void. I mean you get the dopamine hit from the purchase, but it fades fast. Maybe if you live in a loving family, have friends, and are happy with the little things in life, I don’t think consumerism may have as much interest.

Yes, this. I think the ones with the social media accounts posting what they have, are the ones seeking validation because overall they are not very happy.

They'd probably be much more happier by switching it all off and finding something meaningful to do.

Carinattheliqorstore1 · 23/02/2025 22:19

do you have a toilet in your home? One that you can use in privacy and safety? Did your kids get fed today? Are they asleep in warm beds?

Patterncarmen · 23/02/2025 22:16

Want what you have.

LobeliaBaggins · 23/02/2025 22:13

4 children is very much a choice that is not compulsory.

MeanMrMustardSeed · 23/02/2025 22:13

BettyBardMacDonald · 23/02/2025 22:07

I've never felt pressure to keep up with or impress anyone. In my opinion, people who do are simpletons.

Lifestyle creep is not inevitable. People need to examine their own values and live accordingly. And develop some ability for self-denial and delayed gratification, in my opinon. Blaming one's foibles on "society" is ridiculous.

But I think this underestimates just how much people, and we all, to some extent, are impacted by society. Years ago there was this great programme looking at the Nudge Theory. It was amazing how much people are influenced by their environment. With people surrounded by new cars and fancy kitchens and credit being offered every time you check out of an online shop, I think it’s very hard to resist Modern Life, and my big concern is that it’s rubbish!

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candlerhyme · 23/02/2025 22:11

What's telling about your post OP, is that you say you don't get the same pleasure from your cars that you used to get as now everyone has one. So you were using your cars to feel special in some way.

Once you get past that, and know that you're a perfectly valid and special person irrespective of what car you drive, what size of house you live in, and the sort of holidays you go on, you will find peace. And will ultimately have more disposable income.

VenusClapTrap · 23/02/2025 22:10

suppose I’m thinking about this as my 2 oldest become teenagers and start wanting certain football boots or talk about cars they’d like in the future. It’s got me thinking about what modern life of teaching them

Twas ever thus. Back when I was a kid in the seventies we had conversations like this.

verycloakanddaggers · 23/02/2025 22:09

There has been an ongoing problem since 2010, rising costs and mostly flat wages.

There are choices being made by the consumer, for example car loans and holidays, but it is tougher now than it was 15 years ago.

BettyBardMacDonald · 23/02/2025 22:07

MeanMrMustardSeed · 23/02/2025 21:28

I guess, but I think there seems to be more pressure these days to keep up with others. Is that a social media thing, maybe?

I think on a societal level it used to be more common to live within your means, partly through lack of available credit, but now it’s encouraged by society and the capitalist system to take credit at almost every opportunity.

I've never felt pressure to keep up with or impress anyone. In my opinion, people who do are simpletons.

Lifestyle creep is not inevitable. People need to examine their own values and live accordingly. And develop some ability for self-denial and delayed gratification, in my opinon. Blaming one's foibles on "society" is ridiculous.

MeanMrMustardSeed · 23/02/2025 22:06

ChangingHistory · 23/02/2025 21:37

I assume a lot of people live a more aspirational life using credit and can service their debts. My parents were buying things with the intention of paying it off with the pension lump sum about 20 years before dad retired.

This has never been me though. We don't live a life which looks aspirational in terms of house, cars, holidays or even careers. I imagine my parents think we earn half what we do because otherwise we'd surely have newer cars and a larger house?

I'm not on social media much sk maybe thats it. I do think in years hind by you c I ukd only compare yourself to neighbours and friends who in general had a vaguely similar income but now people como are themselves to influencers and celebs and seem to think they should have the same lifestyle.

I think this is an interesting point about comparing like with like - neighbours and colleagues. Now you can compare your life with ‘celebrities’.

I suppose I’m thinking about this as my 2 oldest become teenagers and start wanting certain football boots or talk about cars they’d like in the future. It’s got me thinking about what modern life of teaching them.

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think2 · 23/02/2025 22:03

What is the purpose of your life? In your post, you mention mostly money related issues. Of course it has its place, but is that your goal in life? Does happiness come as a result of what you possess materially?

HollyBerryz · 23/02/2025 22:02

Just don't be a Johnny two sheds and you'll be fine, buy what you can afford, save sensibly and don't take on debts for fancy cars or holidays or things you don't actually need.

Renovations33 · 23/02/2025 22:01

I understand.
Basically less disposable income due to bills, mortgage, activities costs increasing.

It's tough times tbh.