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Teachers : what's the worst thing about the job now?

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Floursacktabletop · 22/02/2025 20:31

I've name changed , but been here many years and teaching for 22 years.
Dreading going back on Monday. For me , the worst bit is the increasingly poor behaviour of students and the continual parental complaints and allegations.
Anyone else dreading it and fancy a solidarity thread?

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Pissoffyouall · 22/02/2025 23:32

Wiggleyfingers · 22/02/2025 21:00

Infant school teacher here - it's between behaviour/lack of sen support and entitled parents.

We are on our knees in every classroom with at least 20% of every class having high needs / really challenging behaviour. I'm in Reception, and I am getting so little teaching done because if I so much as turn my back for 2 minutes the behaviour becomes unsafe and someone gets hurt. That's with a full time TA and an additional learning support.

During COVID, we gave our work email addresses to parents and now the constant stream of anxious/entitled parents flooding my inbox is adding to my workload. Most parents believe their child is neurodiverse and are demanding additional interventions/support despite the child managing very well, often excelling, in class.

We are so lucky that SLT in our school are supportive, prioritise wellbeing and workload has eased considerably in the last 5 years.

Wiggleyfingers
I fully sympathise, but can I just say the insecurity is from that we don't understand how the child is doing. Results of assessments aren't shared, there is no subjective data sent home that schools have plenty of, and in the two meetings we are given vague reports with no indication of how they are actually doing. Or told okay or well - what does it actually mean?? There is no context well okay or welll excelling or well enough or well for themselves or well as in top of class/year? Is it A,B,C,or D or what percentile are they? Or where they are in age/months? This would have been a lot more comprehensive but schools don't send any such data home (because then parents ask questions I guess) and it causes anxiety and indirect questions and extra workload, less directly. And speculating

Unpaidviewer · 22/02/2025 23:31

I'm not a teacher, I dont have the patience nor the enthusiasm. I do have great sympathy for you all though. My family is full of ineffectual parents and I struggle to enjoy spend time with most of the DCs. They all seem to think they will be "influencers" and one of my cousins DC has a youtube and tiktok channel at the age of 6. There's always excuses for tantrums and poor behaviour and never the lack of boundaries, unrestricted screen time or lack of time spent doing stuff outdoors.

cottoncandy260 · 22/02/2025 23:31

Phewthatwasclose · 22/02/2025 23:29

How do you know that particular parents are not interacting with their children and that they’re stuck on screens all day? Do the paremts actually tell you that or do you just assume?

The children tell us it. I ask them what they did in their half term. The majority will say ‘nothing, just played in my xbox’

Floursacktabletop · 22/02/2025 23:30

Phewthatwasclose · 22/02/2025 23:29

How do you know that particular parents are not interacting with their children and that they’re stuck on screens all day? Do the paremts actually tell you that or do you just assume?

It's very easy to spot.

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cottoncandy260 · 22/02/2025 23:29

Floursacktabletop · 22/02/2025 23:06

I think the constant focus on mental health has left a lot of parents scared their child will be unhappy/depressed/suicidal if they don't appear happy at all times.
Parents reluctant to be a brick wall of boundary.

Absolutely. My God, the amount of times ‘anxiety’ has been used as a catch all for just about bloody anything.

Parents who refuse to allow children to feel uncomfortable feelings or be pushed slightly outside their comfort zone and instead make sure their kid is constantly appeased are seriously the bane of teachers’ lives.

Phewthatwasclose · 22/02/2025 23:29

Nix32 · 22/02/2025 21:01

Parents who can't/don't actually interact with or parent their children, but immediately assume their child's behaviour is down to an SEND. No, your child doesn't know how to interact with others because if they're not at school they're stuck in front of a screen. It's the complete lack of responsibility that gets to me. Everything is someone else's fault.

How do you know that particular parents are not interacting with their children and that they’re stuck on screens all day? Do the paremts actually tell you that or do you just assume?

Hercisback1 · 22/02/2025 23:29

Parents who forget that in the hour long lesson, a class of 30 gets 2 mins each of my time, excluding any whole class teaching I need to do. So, no I can't offer lil Johnny 1:1 explanations every time, or give Martha 7 reminders to work.

FrippEnos · 22/02/2025 23:29

qwertyasdfgzxcv · 22/02/2025 23:17

Can you explain MAT? Why don't local authorities run schools? I'm confused. I used to think it was state and independent sector but now realise it's more complex than that.

MAT were brought in under the premise that the school would have more autonomy over their budget, curriculum etc. and improve standards.

What it actually did was remove a parents ability to complain about the school in any meaningful fashion, enable MATs to buy schools cheap sell off the grounds and make profit (form what should be a non profit organisation), Allowed MATs to find ways to get rid of problem or generally undesirable pupils. Whilst allowing the Leaders of the schools to give themselves massive pay rises whilst reducing money to departments and get rid of experienced (expensive) members of staff.

All whilst the government enabled ofsted to increase the amount of "failing" schools so they could be forced in to these trusts which when they themselves failed were allowed to offload the schools into other failing trusts.

And it allowed the government to bitch about teachers and the state of education whilst giving themselves a free pass for fucking the system up.

dontdarepokethebear · 22/02/2025 23:25

Behaviour and attitude due to poor parenting from all backgrounds.
Unreasonable parents.

There are some amazing parents and well parented, respectful students but they are sadly becoming the minority.

cottoncandy260 · 22/02/2025 23:24

millmoo · 22/02/2025 20:53

behaviour ….. and the fact that most parents excuse this behaviour because they think that their kid is ND.
parents - basically allowed to speak to us how they want.

why oh why does every parent believe their kids side of the story ?!!

we have a communication app so parents are able to messages us at any time of the day or night (we don’t reply at night/ weekend ) but why is that ok ?? I don’t have a direct communication line with my doctor or my bank manager !

Yep. Parents excusing every behaviour under the sun because their kid has SEN. I now teach classes where nearly 50% of the kids have ‘special’ educational needs (aint gonna be ‘special’ for much longer!) and so many of their behaviours are deemed acceptable because of their ADHD/ASD etc. It makes the job fucking impossible to be honest.

And, before anyone asks, yes I am trained in SEN, yes I do know how I’m meant to ‘deal with’ certain behaviours and traits but for me personally, it’s the parents expecting their child to have 100% attention and understanding from all the teachers when there are 1500 other kids in the school. It’s an absolute joke!

YingtongYingtongIddleIPo · 22/02/2025 23:22

Parents are awful. I was deliberately hit in the face. The kid’s parent complained to the school that he was upset that I had told him off. Whenever I email home about anyone, the response is always, ‘Well, I understand why you are upset with X, however…’ followed by a 1000 word essay about how horrible I am and how wonderful their shitty kid is.

All you parents who do this, and who object to all school rules and regulations and have the time to spend hours shrieking at us and coming up to school to abuse our reception staff - why don’t you home educate your revolting off-spring yourselves? Our lives would be much better for it. And you could try actually parenting, them, too.

Floursacktabletop · 22/02/2025 23:20

Floursacktabletop · 22/02/2025 23:15

This is outing for anyone who knows me as I've told this story before irl
One of my team (core subject dept) was chatting to a student at the end of a lesson. The student was recounting a story which ended with the teacher saying " oh maybe you saw a ghost " all very jolly and lovely.
Fast forward to the next day. An email to the Head of dept accusing the teacher of teaching the class about ghosts and her daughter was so terrified by overhearing the word ghost that she couldn't sleep and there was also a scary display in the teachers room (Macbeth)
The parent had not once thought that maybe it was her job to get her child some help for such a strong reaction to simply hearing a word

Bit unclear. The complaint was not from the child the teacher was talking to, it was from another member of the class

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OnStrikeNextWeek · 22/02/2025 23:18

qwertyasdfgzxcv · 22/02/2025 23:17

Can you explain MAT? Why don't local authorities run schools? I'm confused. I used to think it was state and independent sector but now realise it's more complex than that.

Multi Academy Trust, basically privatisation of education.

qwertyasdfgzxcv · 22/02/2025 23:17

JFTeach · 22/02/2025 21:27

MATs making you log everything on spreadsheets that they could find out themselves if they were inclined. And will never look at or follow up.

MAT having no clue about the local context of school and trying one size fits all.

MAT being money leeches

MAT setting up unworkable systems that add to workload and achieve nothing.

Being held accountable for results from kids who can’t be bothered at all and don’t try. I’m a pretty decent teacher but I’m not a miracle worker.

Basically running to stand still and not even managing that.

Can you explain MAT? Why don't local authorities run schools? I'm confused. I used to think it was state and independent sector but now realise it's more complex than that.

Pissoffyouall · 22/02/2025 23:15

JulietSierra · 22/02/2025 20:33

Worst for me is the Ofsted dread and the pressure of doing ridiculous things ‘for Ofsted’.
We were inspected just over a year ago so feel ‘safe’ for now but I just know it’ll all ramp up again in a year or two 🙈

What are those things JulierSierra?

Floursacktabletop · 22/02/2025 23:15

This is outing for anyone who knows me as I've told this story before irl
One of my team (core subject dept) was chatting to a student at the end of a lesson. The student was recounting a story which ended with the teacher saying " oh maybe you saw a ghost " all very jolly and lovely.
Fast forward to the next day. An email to the Head of dept accusing the teacher of teaching the class about ghosts and her daughter was so terrified by overhearing the word ghost that she couldn't sleep and there was also a scary display in the teachers room (Macbeth)
The parent had not once thought that maybe it was her job to get her child some help for such a strong reaction to simply hearing a word

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OnStrikeNextWeek · 22/02/2025 23:14

GretchenWienersHair · 22/02/2025 23:09

I forgot to add SLT. The only time anyone hears from my HT is when they send an all staff email complaining about some minor thing that could have easily been addressed directly to the person they’re passive aggressively complaining about. Otherwise, it’s crickets from that office.

We’re no longer allowed to send all staff emails. They have to be vetted by SLT first and are often sent too late to be of any use by the time they have been checked.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 22/02/2025 23:13

Unless you work in a school you just can’t understand what’s going on. The level of violence in our school is so regular that when I was assaulted outside of school in an unrelated incident I hardly reacted at all. I am so desensitised to it that it was just like any other day, but instead of a child it’s an adult.

My child’s secondary school is the same. High levels of violent behaviour. Children who disrupt the whole class regularly and consequences have no effect. The child that’s most challenging - i randomly met the parents on an introductory evening event at the beginning of term and they were very middle class, professional people. Apparently the child tells my child they couldn’t care less, don’t read emails, won’t come into meetings at school, too busy, not interested, he just does what he likes. Brilliant. And no the area isn’t deprived, quite the opposite.

Queenager · 22/02/2025 23:12

I’ve been teaching for years - part time.
The behaviour of children is appalling. Children don’t have respect for teachers because they are exposed to too much through TV , iPads etc. less discipline at home. What I’ve noticed as well is how unhappy children are now.
in the near future there are just going to be NQT s that’ll last for a few years - and then leave - because they’ll realise they’re just banging their head against a brick wall.

GretchenWienersHair · 22/02/2025 23:09

I forgot to add SLT. The only time anyone hears from my HT is when they send an all staff email complaining about some minor thing that could have easily been addressed directly to the person they’re passive aggressively complaining about. Otherwise, it’s crickets from that office.

Floursacktabletop · 22/02/2025 23:06

whatkatydid2014 · 22/02/2025 23:02

So do you think that there are not really more SEN children than there used to be and that a significant portion of it is just children without boundaries?
I feel like my OH and I are probably less good at rule enforcement than my parents were. We have every intention of being consistent but undoubtedly sometimes fail miserably. Equally, even as someone definitely not brilliant at holding good boundaries, it still amazes me how bad some parents I know are at it. Saying over and over and over if you don’t stop x, y will happen and y never happening (sometimes also y being a stupidly crazy escalation of a response you’d never do).

I think the constant focus on mental health has left a lot of parents scared their child will be unhappy/depressed/suicidal if they don't appear happy at all times.
Parents reluctant to be a brick wall of boundary.

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mrpenny · 22/02/2025 23:06

MonBlu · 22/02/2025 22:45

I think that a lot of parents these days believe that good parenting is advocating for their child and this is what takes up so much teacher time and leads to a lack of resiliance in the children.

My own youngest regularly comes home outraged that her friend said this, or Mrs Jones didn't believe her when that, and it was totally unfair when something else happened. I listen, I make soothing noises, I agree that it sounds like she had some ups and downs today, I ask her what she might do differently if it happens again, and we move on.

What I don't do is send a little note to Mrs Jones asking her to sort out the terribly unfair situation because that creates a whole load of paperwork for Mrs Jones and means she'll be spending either her own break time, or class teaching time trying to get to the bottom of a non-event that my daughter probably contributed to anyway, and then using effort and time to send me a carefully worded email explaining what happened in a way that doesn't sound dismissive, but also doesn't escalate the situation or mention any other children.

This totally nails it. Oh that they were all like you… Yet more today about how their children is being bullied… mostly someone isn’t playing with them 🙄

converseandjeans · 22/02/2025 23:05

@Lifeisnoteasy84 & the other hundreds of similar comments.

It wasn't until I started using Mumsnet that I became aware of how much parents resented us.

It’s possible to find a job challenging but still find it enjoyable overall.

FrippEnos · 22/02/2025 23:04

All the above plus
SLT that organise training then when you put that training in place come into the room do exactly the opposite then pull you up for it.
HTs that have a hit list of teachers that have disagreed with either them the SLT or their favourite teachers.

PTSDBarbiegirl · 22/02/2025 23:03

BCBird · 22/02/2025 20:46

We should be downing tools and rebelling. It not sustainable. There is a reason we can't retain new teachers.

Use your union for support, learn the fine points of your contract and value yourself.