To not understand why Katharine Birbalsingh is so controversial

There’s nothing liberal about him, or anyone who wants to invite him.

They do charge. Or rather specify that a donation is made.

I have to admit it’s hard work being a Marxist whilst teaching in a hot bed of academic elitism.
One where the students are taught to think for themselves.
But if you can’t see that JP is an extremist (struck off by his regulatory authority) I don’t really know what to say to you.

A rotating door of actual Marxists it is then.

I‘m not attacking you 🤣. You made a demand of me that I’m uninclined to bother with.

They don't charge.

He's not a dangerous misogynist or extreme.

He's actually very liberal and mainstream.

You just don't like him and therfore want to ban him based on your own personal view.

Which makes you the dangerous extremist.
You just don't understand that.

I'd ban you.

(I wouldn't really. I'm just illustrating your point is stupid. I'd invite you in to debate the 6th form who'd destroy you.)

I bet the people saying that she should let anyone speak to the children would have an issue with India Willoughby speaking to students.

Anything goes?

Logic failure again.

No not anything goes.

But no headteachers shouldn't ban visitors because they have views some people disagree with.

Not the same thing.

Look this is boring now you've backed yourself into a stupid nonsensical corner arguing that KB shouldn't allow JP to visit her school.

Because some people disagree with him?

The only evidence offered for him being so abhorrent headteachers would be justified in banning him because of his views is that an archbishop critiqued his book in guardian.

I think kids should be exposed to a variety of views and it would be up to headteachers to justify why a person was so abhorrent children shouldn't be exposed to them or their views.

If you think JP fits into this category it's up to you to explain why.

KB allows many visitors and doesn't ask for their opinions before they are permitted.

Seems she's a lot more liberal than you.

What criteria would you like her to apply for banning 'controversial' people?

Of course she bloody should vet who visits the school and who she promotes visiting the school. JP is a dangerous misogynist. Extremists of any persuasion have no place in our schools.
They also charge for visits as it happens.

Why not just be graceful about KB’s lack of reasoning? Or find a stronger example of hers if it exists?

Instead of attacking me

You don't think that headteachers should vet and not allow controversial people into their schools because it's illiberal?

Are you sure? We are talking about access to other people's children here. Anything goes?

100%

She's a right-wing gobshite.

This basically. She's bit intentionally controversial. She's one of the few saying the truth about the unwise decisions this government is making. I wish there were more schools like hers.

Ah headteachers should be sacked for allowing visitors who have viewpoints with which some people disagree!

What a marvellous liberal education of critical thinkers you'll create with this view.

Your logical reasoning fails you again.

Note the difference between the words should and can in your argument

Consider how these change the proposition.

I'll help you:

Can headteachers refuse visitors who take positions on which some people disagree?

We agree they can.

Should headteachers refuse visitors because they have positions on which some people disagree?

I say no this is an illberal very poor example to set children who should exposed to a variety of viewpoints to build their critical reasoning skills.

I take it you think headteachers should only allow visitors with particular viewpoints to visit?

(Reminder: they can do this we're now considering should they?)

I'd remove my child from any school which did this. It should be a sackable offence.

Meetings for teachers at a ridiculously early hour of the morning before pre school care starts. It would be impossible for me to do my current role at Michaela as I would be expected to be I. School before I can drop my children. For context, I arrive at my school a minimum of 50 minutes before school.

Oh, you are the person I was disagreeing with who is now agreeing with me. How odd.

Anyway, you said "Do you think she should vet who can visit and not allow 'controversial' people to visit?"

And the answer is 'yes, she can'. Which we both agree on.

Nobody said she had to?

I said she has no reason not to.

You seem to believe that she should not because some people disagree with him.

I think this reasoning for a headteacher to refuse a visitor would be dangerously stupid, illiberal and a very poor example.

Conform....

I disagree with her except that her stance on religion in a school. She managed that very well. That case was untenable from the start, but the pressure for her to confirm her school was unbelievable.

I would not ever send my kids to one of her schools, but she set her rules and standards. Anyone who does not like them can choose another school.

You can request all you like - this is Mumsnet not a classroom, not a court of law and I’m just chatting. Maybe I used the word research when I meant stats - who knows? Like I said, I’m not in a classroom and you’re not (thank god) my teacher.

I would have thought that was pretty obvious but perhaps people in HE STEM can’t tell the difference between a parenting chat forum and academia.

The pp specifically said that Birbalsingh had to allow him to visit Michaela.

You are agreeing with me that she didn't.

Are you seriously suggesting that Jordan Peterson could rock up to any school in the country and the school would simply have to let him in and let him have lunch with the kids?

Totally stupid strawman argument.

One headteacher allowing JP tovisit their school is not the same as saying he should be allowed to visit any school he wants.

I hope kids at Michaela develop better logical reasoning skills than this.