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High earner partner moved in - CB lost

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WhoevenamIinlife · 22/02/2025 11:25

Hi everyone just looking for perspectives.
My partner has been living with me covering 50% of bills and rent since day one. Recently has moved to a higher wage bracket which means I am no longer entitled to CB for my children (2 not his).
we initially agreed I would keep the CB and he would pay back the tax bill which I thought was fair as I lost out on other things too ie childcare, single discount council tax and also the fact we have separate finances and it wasn't one pot.
He has since raised it with me after paying the tax bill saying it wasn't fair and he would rather just give me that money for the kids without going through HMRC and thinks I should be more flexible as he pays more when we go out etc, household big shops and he does pay/contribute more which cancels out the CB and was quite offended when I said no I prefer it like this because this is not YOU giving me money this is the CB coming directly to me taking away anyone else's power over it. I have told him when we buy together in future and split bills percentage wise I will just stop the CB as it's no longer needed as we run the household together. Just for clarity partners income is just over 3 x mine but will cover huge costs ie a family trip for 5 abroad all his costs, household repairs. Because I have been financially stung before am I being too overly cautious resulting in being greedy?

AIBU?

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HMW1906 · 22/02/2025 22:49

madroid · 22/02/2025 13:10

But the OP has no access to his money but has lost CB, council tax discount and her food and bills will have increased with him there.

This is why I wouldn't move in OP without discussing finances first and going 50/50. If you're not ready for that, don't live together.

They are 50/50 plus the DP pays for all holidays and treats so he’s paying more than 50/50 really.

cherish123 · 22/02/2025 22:32

If your boyfriend pays you rent, surely that will cover the lost CB. You have lost CB as you have an extra income from an informal tenant.

LondonLawyer · 22/02/2025 22:31

WhoevenamIinlife · 22/02/2025 14:30

It's so interesting to know the other perspective. Can I ask why? The CB part of just everything I've described?

I wouldn't have said "running for the hills" but if I were your partner I'd be annoyed at having to do self-assessment tax returns just for child benefit. It's a major pain in the neck to fill one in, and I don't see how it benefits you, it just puts an extra task on his desk?
I have to do one anyway, because I am self-employed, but I wouldn't want to do one for the sheer fun of it. You can keep the claim open and not receive the payment, that way if things change you can get the cash-element set up again fairly easily.

BIossomtoes · 22/02/2025 22:23

TickingAlongNicely · 22/02/2025 12:49

Not the point of this thread... but I do find it bizarre an unrelated man has more enforcement on paying for children rather than a father who can often get away with paying very little.

There’s no enforcement to pay for children, he’s doing it willingly it would seem. He just earns enough for his partner to lose her child benefit.

VindiVici · 22/02/2025 22:16

@WhoevenamIinlife Is there a reason why you aren't getting married to him?

The way you post makes this sound as if it's not a very stable relationship.

Yes, a tax return is a PITA but that's how it is. Yes, he could give you £150, you register to get your NI and years towards your state pension, but don't claim the CB .

But he's also being a bit irresponsible to try to wriggle out of a tax return. It's just something people suck up.

With a child together and 2 of your own, you seem to be quibbling over money which is never a good sign.

Chillilounger · 22/02/2025 20:41

We put the percentage of th CB that is needed to pay the tax bill aside in a savings account and don't touch it. Use the rest then pay the tax bill when it comes. Can't you do that?

dementedpixie · 22/02/2025 20:37

HolidayChoiceDilema · 22/02/2025 20:30

If you claim child benefit it goes towards this

Which goes towards your state pension & other benefits

https://www.gov.uk/check-national-insurance-record

You can claim CB without getting the money and still get the NI credits. It has been suggested on here several times

climbinggary · 22/02/2025 20:35

Money is not the only issue here perhaps.

HolidayChoiceDilema · 22/02/2025 20:30

If you claim child benefit it goes towards this

Which goes towards your state pension & other benefits

https://www.gov.uk/check-national-insurance-record

HolidayChoiceDilema · 22/02/2025 20:26

https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit

climbinggary · 22/02/2025 20:26

Of course that is possible, but I wasn't talking about money only.

WhoevenamIinlife · 22/02/2025 19:54

MagentaRavioli · 22/02/2025 16:38

It’s a right faff to do a tax return for this. Your DP is not being unreasonable.

I see that now. I've never done a tax return but I understand now since he has done it how frustrating it was.

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WhoevenamIinlife · 22/02/2025 19:53

thirdfiddle · 22/02/2025 19:36

I don't think you have anything to feel guilty about OP. You're at an awkward stage. If you were younger and child-free you'd probably be renting together and seeing how you liked living together, and yes each contributing 50% of rent. As you already have a house, it's kind of operating as him renting 50% of the property from you. I'm assuming he's paying you a proportion of your mortgage not a proportion of a market rent, so he's getting to live very cheaply for a renting situation. It is a win-win, and it sounds like you both recognise that. In some ways less of a win for you because you got reduced income and reduced costs whereas he just got reduced costs. In other ways you come out better. It's complicated and at some point in relationships we do stop counting.

What about your shared child? Do you do more of the childcare there or pretty even? That would also be a balancing factor in fairness.

I get the impression it's pride too - you're used to being independent, are trying to keep separate finances and share costs evenly as far as is possible in a relationship with such different incomes, so taking money from him directly is uncomfortable. Would it help you to think of it as him paying a little more in rent rather than him paying for your kids with ex? Look at market rents in your area, compare 1/2 or 1/3 of a market rent to what he contributes to your mortgage. I'm guessing you'll find he's getting a good deal even if he pays you the equivalent of CB.

Our shared child's childcare and responsibilities are shared, in fact I'd say he does marginally more than me when he's at home.

I think it is pride maybe because yes I've always been independent... it's so nice to have someone who wants to spend on me and my children knowing full when my financial position. I've not decieved my partner in any way. He wants to and I let him. But the CB is the one thing that never got spoken about until now .

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WhoevenamIinlife · 22/02/2025 19:51

VindiVici · 22/02/2025 16:36

Just for clarity partners income is just over 3 x mine but will cover huge costs ie a family trip for 5 abroad all his costs, household repairs. Because I have been financially stung before am I being too overly cautious resulting in being greedy?

Yes, in a word.

Greedy comes to mind.

If this is what it reads like, your partner is paying for a family holiday abroad and (all?) household repairs, as well as paying you rent and 50-50 on bills etc.

Why do you accept this? It seems very unfair. He's the one being stung from where I'm sitting.

Why aren't you going 50-50 on the holiday and repairs to the house that you own?

The fact he earns more isn't really the point. Your outgoings, holidays and household repairs should be 50-50, or even 40-60 because 2 of the children aren't his.

As a PP said I'd be very worried if my son was in this set up. No security if you split and paying for so much at the moment.

Edited

i guess because he insists and I let him? Because of maternity leave and when I was still paying 50% even though I was on mat pay and that worked but I ate through all my savings because that was what he had agreed when moving in and 6 years later it's the same but he wants to pay more himself? I've never asked him for anything other than additional costs related to our child. I guess I let him pay towards my older two because he sees them as his and surely that's a win win for both him and my children?

I guess the CB thing just never gt talked about and now it's a point of discussion I just wanted opinions because yes he's out of pocket but it's not a joint pot. It's complicated in my head.

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thirdfiddle · 22/02/2025 19:36

I don't think you have anything to feel guilty about OP. You're at an awkward stage. If you were younger and child-free you'd probably be renting together and seeing how you liked living together, and yes each contributing 50% of rent. As you already have a house, it's kind of operating as him renting 50% of the property from you. I'm assuming he's paying you a proportion of your mortgage not a proportion of a market rent, so he's getting to live very cheaply for a renting situation. It is a win-win, and it sounds like you both recognise that. In some ways less of a win for you because you got reduced income and reduced costs whereas he just got reduced costs. In other ways you come out better. It's complicated and at some point in relationships we do stop counting.

What about your shared child? Do you do more of the childcare there or pretty even? That would also be a balancing factor in fairness.

I get the impression it's pride too - you're used to being independent, are trying to keep separate finances and share costs evenly as far as is possible in a relationship with such different incomes, so taking money from him directly is uncomfortable. Would it help you to think of it as him paying a little more in rent rather than him paying for your kids with ex? Look at market rents in your area, compare 1/2 or 1/3 of a market rent to what he contributes to your mortgage. I'm guessing you'll find he's getting a good deal even if he pays you the equivalent of CB.

JHound · 22/02/2025 16:51

dementedpixie · 22/02/2025 16:48

If someone in the household earns £60k or more then some or all of CB needs to be paid back. Once that person reaches £80k the full amount would be paid back.

The higher earner registers for self assessment and completes a tax return in order to pay the CB back.

That’s fascinating to know! So it expects the higher earner to take on some degree of financial accountability for children in the home whether they are the parent or not (and I assume the caveat is the higher earner in the home must be in a relationship with the parent claiming CB.

dementedpixie · 22/02/2025 16:48

JHound · 22/02/2025 16:44

You lose CB for living with your partner who is not the father of your children?

If someone in the household earns £60k or more then some or all of CB needs to be paid back. Once that person reaches £80k the full amount would be paid back.

The higher earner registers for self assessment and completes a tax return in order to pay the CB back.

JHound · 22/02/2025 16:44

You lose CB for living with your partner who is not the father of your children?

MagentaRavioli · 22/02/2025 16:38

It’s a right faff to do a tax return for this. Your DP is not being unreasonable.

VindiVici · 22/02/2025 16:36

Just for clarity partners income is just over 3 x mine but will cover huge costs ie a family trip for 5 abroad all his costs, household repairs. Because I have been financially stung before am I being too overly cautious resulting in being greedy?

Yes, in a word.

Greedy comes to mind.

If this is what it reads like, your partner is paying for a family holiday abroad and (all?) household repairs, as well as paying you rent and 50-50 on bills etc.

Why do you accept this? It seems very unfair. He's the one being stung from where I'm sitting.

Why aren't you going 50-50 on the holiday and repairs to the house that you own?

The fact he earns more isn't really the point. Your outgoings, holidays and household repairs should be 50-50, or even 40-60 because 2 of the children aren't his.

As a PP said I'd be very worried if my son was in this set up. No security if you split and paying for so much at the moment.

Completelyjo · 22/02/2025 16:16

WhoevenamIinlife · 22/02/2025 14:56

I understand that but he was in no position to buy before he moved in (no savings) and he has since started saving as his running costs are half when he was private renting so it's a. Win win for him. He's not financially worse off with me.

But you’re not actually worse off with him either even though you technically are down child benefit.
Take the rent he’s paying you and put it in the same account you were putting the child benefit into. He’s probably paying more than £150 in rent anyway.

It’s like you think you should have all the benefits of him being there like him paying for your kids, splitting the bills, treating you all, but continue to have the single council tax discount and your previous CB on top.

Gemkls · 22/02/2025 15:33

Are you working OP? If not then I would advise to keep it through HMRC, but opt not to be paid it (there’s a button on there) so you still get the national insurance credits towards the likes of your state pension but not actually receive the money from HMRC. Then your partner can pay you what you are no longer receiving. If you are working, then yes you could cancel it and have him just pay you the same amount to save the faff every April. If he’s earning over 100k though he has to do a SATR anyways though so you could just keep claiming it and he should just save it towards the year end bill he know he will get for it, it’s effectively the same thing he’s just making the payment annually and you’re receiving it monthly. They have just changed the cliff edge cut off from 50k to a marginal one between 60-80k for child benefit so if he earns between 60-80k it will still be worth claiming and he will I’ll only repay some and only have to repay it all once earning 80+k. If he didn’t agree to a standing order to you monthly for the amount, I wouldn’t agree to it. Nothing worse than having to nag or beg someone for money on a handshake agreement. Hope this helps.

letslaughitoff · 22/02/2025 15:27

Goldigger or money grabber comes to mind.

NoWayRose · 22/02/2025 15:13

My DH’s friend moved in with a woman in a similar situation. He seemed to be very happy to pay for their nice house and food etc for her children, but she seemed to hold it against him somehow she had lost benefits because of his high income. They’ve broken up now but it sounded like she was quite bitter about the ‘lost’ benefits money when actually he seemed to be quite generous. (I only have his perspective, maybe there’s more to it)

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 22/02/2025 15:11

You are making him do unnecessary paperwork. That is ridiculous. Life is busy enough with admin stuff without doing stuff due to your stupid pride/ stubbornness or whatever it is.