to think more negative effects will come out from Ozempic use?

I have been called ignorant on this thread (as opposed to being told my comment shows ignorance) and other insults mostly now deleted by MNHQ.

If you've had no posts deleted then you are have participated politely in the discussion so that's fine. However, this thread did get out of hand for a while yesterday which is why I absented myself from it.

Calling a comment ignorant is not calling the person making the comment ignorant. It's used in the sense of uninformed or lacking knowledge, ignorant of the facts. I have not and don't call people ignorant as an insult. Ditto with "judgemental" which is used in reference to comments not people, and I would explain why rather than use it as an attempt to terminate discussion.

@SilenceInside and @PinkArt I know I have said it before but I just wanted to thank you personally again for always dealing with these threads in a respectful and patient way. I gave up a long time ago, so thank you for always defending this life changing medication.

Before I started taking MJ, I noticed the threads about other things that end up in a mess. Users defending their SEN children after streams of people say ignorant things like 'it wasn't like this in my day' or 'you obviously haven't been hard enough on them'. Or the terrible racist threads, which I won't expand on.

I will be honest and say that I didn't really take it seriously enough. WLI is obviously not as serious as that but now I understand how these parents/people must feel. When you're the 'minority' it is a constant struggle to be believed and to have your side of the story heard. I now understand that and I get it.

MJ has not only pretty much cured my endocrine condition that has led to my obesity but it has taught me compassion. I've learned quite a big life lesson that I can never judge anyone else ever again because I have never been in their position.

I'm so sorry in advance if any of that isn't quite right or I have worded it wrong, and I am not equating WLI to other much more serious matters but I just wanted to get it out.

Thank you both again.

Sorry that is what I was trying to say that it is being misused by celebrities and that is where it is coming from

seeing my post there should be an isn’t in the first line! The problem isn’t Ozempic but how it is used

as a prescribed drug for health it is amazing

being used for vanity it is bound to cause issues

Fair enough you are just mildly irritated and this thread hasn't affected you greatly. But some people did apparently get incensed by it to the extent of having a load of posts deleted by MNHQ for breaking their guidelines re personal insults.

I think if people make comments we feel to be wrong then it's better to try to educate them than jump to calling them "ignorant" which is an insult in itself. And if we feel people are being judgemental then it's better to call them out on it and say that comment you just made sounds judgemental so if their intentions were good they can explain that wasn't what they meant or apologise.

They really aren't being used 'like all drugs and alcohol' by most users, but like the regulated, prescription medication that that are! The handful, like Lottie Moss or Avery, who get hold of them illegally and at far too low a starting BMI are the ones making headlines but they're drastically removed from the average user.

I think that you're attributing anger and upset to what is actually mild irritation and annoyance. I hide threads that overly anger or upset me. This one is not one of those.

I also think it's reasonable and acceptable to react with annoyance to people posting ignorant and judgemental comments, and not being interested in discussing properly why their comments might be ill informed and judgemental.

As I said before I'm not that familiar with AIBU and think I will stick with light hearted ones in future.

Obviously it's 100% up to people which threads they participate in. But this one seemed to bring out a lot of negative emotions in many contributors so yes if the title of a thread made me feel upset/angry and I felt like it had only been started as a wind up then I would avoid it.

There’s been an interesting switcheroo on MN.

For years anyone saying that being overweight is fine and they are comfortable with how they look has been met with ‘but it’s SOOO UNHEALTHY, think of our DNHS collapsing under the demands of obese people’.

And now it’s apparently that people using weight loss drugs are stupidly using a medication that might have side effects for sheer vanity, not for any pressing health reasons.

Most threads in AIBU are intended as wind ups though, they're often intentionally controversial or emotive to spark lots of responses. You're saying that people should be advised not to participate in threads that are about something they know and have personal experience of, where other people who are ignorant of the facts should be left to post ill informed and inaccurate comments. After all, that's why you posted, because you felt you had personal experience due to using Ozempic in the past.

You are correct, as others have said already on this thread, that these topics are media driven. Click bait attention grabbing headlines in the usual kinds of online news websites drive the ill informed commenting.

They have been used by diabetics for a lot longer of course so it's not a new thing whereas so many people using weight loss drugs is a relatively new thing and of course it is often in the media about this and that celebrity losing weight (often in America) and speculation about whether they are or aren't using weight loss drugs and often of course they weren't overweight to start with by most people's standards. So then people do start questioning how are people of normal BMI getting prescribed these drugs & other questions.

Anyway, I didn't know there had been endless threads, I just clicked on this one as it came up on active threads not because it's an issue I normally post about. Though I do have some interest in the subject as tried Ozempic in the past as mentioned early on. If people think threads are being started just as wind ups then the best thing is probably to avoid them?

The problem is Ozempic it is how it is used - just like all drugs and alcohol it is an end user and how that end user is getting that is the issue

it is clearly being used to get to a weight that isn’t a good idea

They're the same drugs though, regardless of what specifically they've been prescribed for, for the individual.There are endless threads like this one, by people pretending that they're really worried what'll happen to the fatties (I am one) as a result of using these 'new' drugs. But not one thread worrying about the effect the exact same drugs might be having on diabetics.
When it comes down to it none of these weekly threads has anything to do with concerns about the side effects of medication that the OPs aren't ever taking themselves and everything do with the OPs unspoken opinions on obese people.

I know not everyone is there to get at me but enough people were being hostile to myself, @nameey @lettyraines & others that MNHQ had to get involved and remind people to be civil then delete lots of posts for breaking the talk guidelines.

I'm not saying they were your posts they weren't.

I’m sorry but you’re taking things very personally.

Not everyone is there to get at you, to judge YOU or your positions.
That was the point of my comment fgs!
And yet you took it as a judgement in itself 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

I think a big part of the interest in these drugs is that they are being talked about a lot in the media at the moment - and not just the Daily Mail! - so people are aware of the issues around them whereas treatment for heart issues, Alzheimers etc aren't so much in the public eye.

I would say alcohol addiction is another emotive subject and there are lots of debates about it for example is it a disease or not which equally people can have very strong opinions about.

I must admit I don't normally post on AIBU so have inadvertently stepped into a part of Mumsnet I probably won't return to!

I'm used to sharing opinions on other parts of Mumsnet that don't get as heated or personal.

I think every time the post is about GLP-1 agonists in relation to obesity and weight loss that judgement is there, whether people want to admit it to themselves or not. There weren't years worth of weekly threads about 'concerns' when they were licensed just for diabetes, not are there dozens of 'concerned' threads about their likely future use in the treatment of heart issues, Alzheimers, alcohol addiction etc. The 'concern' only comes when they're used in the treatment of obesity.

AIBU by its very nature elicits emotive judgemental responses which has always been the case.

True but I also think because it’s an emotive subject sometimes people see a judgement that isn’t there. The fierce responses from some people to an AIBU has been surprising to me because there are ways of saying you think someone is being unreasonable without resorting to personal attacks about people’s intelligence or likely weight.

I think what is worth acknowledging - particularly for those who haven't struggled with obesity and/or yo yo dieting themselves, and who haven't had problems with increased hunger / cravings - is how much fat phobia exists in society.

Stereotypes about overweight people are so frequent: eg lazy, not disciplined, yadi yadi ya ...

That's what's in the background - unsaid - in a lot of these "debates".

Your post at 10.17 today which ended with the sentence Which basically takes us back to … it’s a personal choice. Stop judging.

I think we should all agree it is personal choice as you say. There was no need for any personal comments towards others on this thread because at the end of the day we're all entitled to hold different opinions and express them as long as we do so politely. I'm not judging anyone for taking weight loss drugs and I'm genuinely sorry if it came across that I am in any of my comments.

Where did I say it was??

Discussion involves looking at the pros and cons of something not putting forward one side of an argument and refusing to listen to the other side

The ops first post was about the misuse of the drug and made a gigantic leap that the drug is linked to osteoporosis which contradicts the scintific literature. This has been pointed out multiple times.

The follow up argument of "well we just don't know what may happen" is fair of any drug but rarely, if ever raised about other drugs that millions are taking. Long story short is drugs carry risk. This is not a novel concept. However the longer a drug is around the more we understand the risk.

Now as many have said this class of drugs have been on the market for decades meaning we have decades of safety studies. More rare side effects are absolutely possible, as are some more emerging disease treatments.

But the op is not acknowledging that. When presented with a longotidudal study that showed a number of benefits of the drug she copied and pasted only the side effects.

You say we need more data could you give an n number and time scale of when you think this will be sufficient? Since 20 years of data in millions of patients is not enough.

Which basically takes us back to … it’s a personal choice. Stop judging.

It is indeed a personal choice. Exercising some discrimination, or making a different choice to you, or just wanting to discuss a current trend is not judging.