to think more negative effects will come out from Ozempic use?

The vast majority of posts were deleted from that Tulips user and I hope you will admit she went too far. She got banned over it so it’s a shame people kept silent about her attacking style of argument yesterday.

You obviously are someone who can discuss things properly even when we don’t agree with someone’s comments as am I.

@lettyraines most of those threads are support threads in the support section, or threads answering practical queries. There aren't lots of ongoing debate threads in the specific topic for WLI and treatments. There aren't 2600 threads of people endlessly suggesting that GLP-1s are wholly positive with no drawbacks.

I’ve never taken Mounjaro, so what? I can engage in an AIBU thread and I have read a lot about weight loss drugs generally.

What more do you have to add come to that?

@Twiglets1 to be fair a range of posts were deleted not just those from people who were defending the use of GLP-1s.

Also please answer if you'd like. What is your hope with the things you post? That people stop taking the medications?

I don't have any "hope" with what I post. I am just trying to discuss the topic.

Disagreeing with you is not "heavily policing" or "shouting down"

If you think this thread is a good example of people being allowed to freely discuss this topic then you and I see things very differently.

One wonders why it is so very threatening to have a handful of threads raising queries about the road ahead (versus 2,600 threads for active users of WLI).

No one has said boldly There are no negatives.

But the sheer anger directed at people interested in discussing negatives & the fact that MNHQ had to intervene on this thread and delete lots of posts shows that some people don’t want to think about negatives and want to shut down anyone who does mention them.

Pointing out that people are uninformed isn't a personal attack when it's evident. And I have repeatedly acknowledged that Mounjaro can pose a danger, as can the most innocuous of OTC medications, if misused.

So what further do you have to add that is supported by your personal experience of taking Mounjaro and the research you have read that applies to Mounjaro (not Ozempic).

Disagreeing with you is not "heavily policing" or "shouting down"

I suspect most people here who are disagreeing with the provocative nature of the original post have no interest in shouting you or anyone else down, but lots of interest in fairly and accurately describing their experience on these medications. That for the vast vast majority of people has been really positive.

Also please answer if you'd like. What is your hope with the things you post? That people stop taking the medications? In that case they'll remain obese overweight: do you recommend that? Or do you simply recommend they are aware of side effects? We are. Thought not from the daily mail but (in my case) from my GP who encouraged me to take MJ and was clear the side effects and incredibly rare and the benefits massive.

I bet you're on medical reviews too. I'm not sure if thing like boots doctor ( if they exist) ask you for blood tests every so many months.

I was talking to my diabetes nurse about going on Olympic but my blood test shows I already have kidney damage so can't have it.

Threads like this get a bit shouty because users of WLIs are so invested in them. We've had years of obesity, poor health, bullying and discrimination. Before WLIs, we faced more of the same and worse, including significantly reduced life expectancy. We're now, mostly, spending a lot of our own money to access a drug we know is the best opportunity we've ever had to change our futures. You don't get us wingeing on endlessly about the refusal of the NHS to prescribe to us, or the huge cost and hoops we have to jump through, or the lack of useful support, and sometimes outright hostility from our own GPs once we're on them, or about the side effects some of us experience, or theoretical future risks. We know all this and more, you're not telling us anything we haven't heard before, repeatedly. But, believe me, we're so tired and scared of being obese we just power on because, basically, it's our only option.
Misinformation, false scare stories, and goady posts boil our piss because of the above.
Everytime a new inaccurate, misinformed anti-WLI hits the MSM, we flinch. Because we know that it's very possible that, enough of this, and we might lose access to WLIs. Trump and Kennedy are already making ominous comments in the US.
The so-called 'pharmacist' who appeared on this thread (there's always one) is, if genuine, a scary concept - a medical professional who has no personal faith in medical advances until they've been trialled on the general population for more than 20 years (wonder how she got through the COVID vaccine programme?). Even non-users of WLIs should be alarmed by that but, no, not on this thread.

Which posters won’t admit there are any negatives? I’ve only seen people say there are side effects, but that the benefits outweigh the risk.

The defensiveness is completely understandable in my opinion because goady threads like this are frequent and are almost always an excuse to judge the lazy fuckers taking the weight loss medication.

@SwingTheMonkey is correct that not a single poster has denied that there are negatives associated with taking this (or any) prescription only medication. Some people clearly are/were defensive about this topic, I think the summary of the reasons why given by SwingTheMonkey is accurate and well explained. Of course that's not to justify personal attacks or otherwise breaking the talk guidelines, but it is an explanation as to why people get annoyed with these kinds of threads. Which is also not suggesting that people can't post about what they perceive as the issues around GLP-1 drugs.

Like any drug, misusing them is an issue.
For people who are obese and beginning to suffer health issues the pluses far outweigh any negatives.

I researched Ozempic a lot before I took it but it was clear from the Ozempic threads at the time that not everyone did. I knew it should only be taken in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions and only by people of a certain BMI & only for 2 years for weight loss purposes. Other weight loss drugs may have different guidelines.

I didn’t have a college debating team lol but I did have a university debating team and I never saw anyone resort yo personal attacks or going on and on about “the feelz” - do you think you could drop that expression now? And from the sheer anger & vitriol given by some people on this thread I observe it is true that some feel very defensive and don’t want the admit to any negatives so I wouldn’t say that’s false as @SwingTheMonkey suggested.

Nice. And exactly how successful was your college debating team?

As for repeating myself, so do you. You just repeat that MJ could be potentially dangerous. Yes we know that. So can any drug if misused.

You might not have used the phrase 'the feelz' but it still best describes your vague attempts to discuss why you're allegedly so concerned about this drug.

I spent a lot of time reading about Mounjaro in papers published by the National Institute of Health. How much peer reviewed research have you read?

I think, because as is the case with these threads and has been pointed out several times, these threads are rarely started for reasons other than bashing the fatties. The op themself was revealed as one of these people, when she made a very nasty response to someone’s dress size. Another recent poster has falsely stated that WLI users don’t want to admit there are any negatives.

On top of that, there’s the rather irritating pretence of posters apparently caring about the health of the poor fatties taking these dangerous drugs when a) being obese is worse for their health and b) nobody apparently cares about other drugs which are hugely beneficial but have rare and serious side effects. Just this one.

Agreed.

And no one has said there are no positives. Or that everyone will suffer bad side effects.

So why it had to get so nasty towards anyone who expressed the slightest negative thought about there may be more negative side effects to come out in future or some people are getting hold of weight loss drugs that shouldn’t be, I’ve no idea.

I would say pretty well everyone on this thread agrees that they are a great development for people who are seriously obese.

Not a single person on this thread has said that there are no potential side effects to these drugs. Literally not a single person.

What people have said is that if you are obese, the potential side effects are outweighed by the risks of developing obesity related illnesses, which kill 30,000 people a year in the UK.

While simultaneously telling other posters they are ill-informed and know nothing about these drugs.

Of course it's because they don't want to know or acknowledge the negatives.

And as for the original question @Aintnobodygottime I said early on that I thought more negative effects are likely to come out. That is not specific to weight loss drugs but probably most drugs that start being used much more widely in society.

And it’s only my opinion I don’t claim to have any special knowledge on the subject
( praying I don’t get “the feelz” screeched at me again).

This thread has moved a long way beyond the original question posed. I’ve tried to bring it back to the original point several times but have largely given up because it seemed like others on here just wanted to rage at me & others and attack us for our perceived ignorance because we dared say anything negative at all about weight loss drugs.

I’m glad to find someone who agrees with me that MJ has been too easy to get hold off (less so now hopefully since pharmacies have been forced to tighten up their practices). I agree that really it should be discussed under a different thread title but this thread has gone severely off track many times.

I agree with all of this. I suspect a lot of people feel that obesity is not a medical condition but more a lifestyle choice that people make and that it can and should be fixed by lifestyle changes. This completely ignores the vast amount of data which shows that weight loss via diet and exercise alone is not achievable or sustainable for most obese people. Otherwise there'd be no need for WLI.