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Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

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ThisPinkWyvern · 22/02/2025 02:04

Under Trump's transgender policy, which echoes the ideology of the Gender Critical Movement, trans women are men and trans men are women. This view denies and rejects as worthless and baseless the lived experience of millions of men and women in the US who identify as trans. As a result of having their lived experience of themself ignored and denied by law, millions of trans men as well as trans women are now experiencing deep psychological trauma and living in abject fear and terror in the US. Many are trying to leave the country because they are so terrified.

The almost total silence of the Gender Critical Movement and it's supporters about the effect that it's ideology has had on those hundreds of thousand of women who self identify as men is deafening.It's whole argument about banning trans women from female public toilets and other ' women only spaces' is based on the argument that denying trans women the right to access these spaces is needed to protect the safety of women and girls. Given the fear, terror and trauma that hundreds of thousands of women( trans men) are now experiencing in the US, as a result of the government putting into practise Gender Critical Movement ideology, the sense of safety and well-being of hundreds of thousands of women has been devastated. This makes the infinitesimally small number of cases where women have been or ever would be assaulted by a trans woman in a women only space pale into insignificance by comparison.

In short, the Gender Critical Movement is directly responsible for harming the well being of hundreds of thousands of WOMEN according to it's own ideology.The damage done by implementing it's ideology makes a sickening mockery of it's claim that it's ideology protects the safety of women and girls.

When the number of men( trans women) in the US who are now living in fear and terror in the US is taken into account as well, the Gender Critical Movement and all those who support it are directly responsible for terrorising millions of people. It is impossible to claim that we are supporting women's rights and protecting the safety of women if we support the Gender Critical Movement.

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Sortumn · 23/02/2025 10:31

I'll never forget Buck Angel telling the tale of how she was in agony in a Mexican hospital and desperate for them to realise she was female as she was whisked to the operating theatre.

Helleofabore · 23/02/2025 10:31

spannasaurus · 23/02/2025 10:23

I think we might need to persuade Prof Robert Winston to do a tour of medical schools to explain humans sex to med students

I would love to see Prof Winston give a 5 minute run down on this for us all. But yes, it would be great to have Profs Winston and Dawkins give a lecture on it at medical schools across the world.

Randomer75 · 23/02/2025 10:31

Why do you all even care if someone calls themselves their correct gender. It doesn't threaten anyone or anything. Please get educated.

but by the same token, why would you care if someone doesn’t call them by their correct gender. That doesn’t threaten them or anything either- particularly if it is out with their presence.
Or is it different then- women getting uppity and saying No to men?

Igneococcus · 23/02/2025 10:29

I finished in 2005, of course we study gender issues.

Well, I finished my PhD in biology in 1999 and have worked in biological research ever since.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2025 10:27

I'm a cisgender woman

It's lovely that you choose to adopt this in-group identity label on behalf of your friends. Most people reject it though.

Women are female, men don't qualify. A transgender woman to me is a biologically female person who for whatever reason believes she is a man. I realise that's confusing for genderists, so I simply don't use the term.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/02/2025 10:27

H112 · 23/02/2025 10:20

Why do you care about being a women or what it means be a woman though?? I'm a cisgender woman and couldn't give a sht who called themselves one. It doesn't effect anything or any of our rights.

Yeah you’re completely right, it’s not as if being a woman had any effect on someone’s life is it?

it’s not as if women having particular illnesses that can only affect their body because they’re actual women

its not as if being the only sex that can have children in anyway impacts on women’s lives and the assumptions made about them

its not as if being a woman means on average you’ll get paid less and have a worse pension

I mean if you genuinely think being a woman has literally no affect on your life as compared to a man then you must live in a bubble of just you

Igneococcus · 23/02/2025 10:26

I always think of TWAW as being in the same vein as the believe in transubstantiation in the Catholic church. It's a dogma, you are required to believe that the host turns into the literal flesh of Christ but, despite that I grew up surrounded by practicing catholics (including an aunt who was a nun) I can't think of that many people who actually believe it if you question them on it.

Savemefromwetdog · 23/02/2025 10:26

H112 · 23/02/2025 10:13

Transwomen are women. They don't effect my daily life as a woman so why would I care about what they do.

TW are men. Born and die men.

borntobequiet · 23/02/2025 10:25

H112 · 23/02/2025 10:24

Over 18s yes. In the hospital system it is noted as issues can arise with blood tests etc

Well now we know. Thank you for your expert opinion.

Helleofabore · 23/02/2025 10:25

H112 · 23/02/2025 10:13

Transwomen are women. They don't effect my daily life as a woman so why would I care about what they do.

A male person remains male all
through their lives and in some situations sex matters.

While you are not impacted, it impacts other people’s lives negatively though. So they discuss it to work through the issues they face and what they can do about it.

TheKeatingFive · 23/02/2025 10:25

If this is what they're 'teaching' in med school, I vote we burn the whole thing down and start again

TheKeatingFive · 23/02/2025 10:24

Daffiesmeanspring · 23/02/2025 10:21

You're a medic and you think TWAW? I take it you treat your patients as their chosen identity then? Hope that doesn't cause serious harm.

God help us all. 2025 - what a time to be alive 🙄

Meceme · 23/02/2025 10:24

H112 · 23/02/2025 10:18

Pity you weren't in med school with me so. You're all so ignorant in the UK when it comes to transpeople. Is it not being thought in schools or through the NHS?

Why do you all even care if someone calls themselves their correct gender. It doesn't threaten anyone or anything. Please get educated.

Because woman isn't a gender, its a sex, one of only two possible in humans, and that sex determines everything about our biological body. Even if you change your external presentation, your sex will be relevant medically.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 23/02/2025 10:24

I think someone is on the wind up. Well there was a time when you would hope so, now we have adults walking about really believing this shit. What a time to be alive 🙄.

I’m going to identify as being 16 again, when people still apparently had brains and were able to think critically.

H112 · 23/02/2025 10:24

Daffiesmeanspring · 23/02/2025 10:21

You're a medic and you think TWAW? I take it you treat your patients as their chosen identity then? Hope that doesn't cause serious harm.

Over 18s yes. In the hospital system it is noted as issues can arise with blood tests etc

Savemefromwetdog · 23/02/2025 10:24

borntobequiet · 23/02/2025 10:21

Pity you weren't in med school with me so

Seriously. You were in medical school? We all need to be worried.

Though mostly people who get into medical school can spell, so perhaps not.

Took the words out of my mouth. I like my doctors to understand biology and to be able to spell basic words

spannasaurus · 23/02/2025 10:23

I think we might need to persuade Prof Robert Winston to do a tour of medical schools to explain humans sex to med students

TheKeatingFive · 23/02/2025 10:23

H112 · 23/02/2025 10:13

Transwomen are women. They don't effect my daily life as a woman so why would I care about what they do.

They may not affect your daily life, but what about the women who are affected?

Those having to share a prison cell with a man because 'transwomen are women 🙄'.

Those unable to access single sex rape counselling, or domestic abuse refuges, or intimate care for the sick or disabled, or sports women having to give up their opportunities because 'transwomen are women 🙄'.

They aren't a concern for you, no? Because you're alright Jack?

H112 · 23/02/2025 10:23

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2025 10:21

Seriously. You were in medical school? We all need to be worried.

With Dr Upton maybe?

We had two trans students, both female to male though

H112 · 23/02/2025 10:22

Igneococcus · 23/02/2025 10:21

Pity you weren't in med school with me so.

Seriously, are they teaching that utter nonsense at med school now?

I finished in 2005, of course we study gender issues.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2025 10:21

Seriously. You were in medical school? We all need to be worried.

With Dr Upton maybe?

Igneococcus · 23/02/2025 10:21

Pity you weren't in med school with me so.

Seriously, are they teaching that utter nonsense at med school now?

Daffiesmeanspring · 23/02/2025 10:21

H112 · 23/02/2025 10:18

Pity you weren't in med school with me so. You're all so ignorant in the UK when it comes to transpeople. Is it not being thought in schools or through the NHS?

Why do you all even care if someone calls themselves their correct gender. It doesn't threaten anyone or anything. Please get educated.

You're a medic and you think TWAW? I take it you treat your patients as their chosen identity then? Hope that doesn't cause serious harm.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 23/02/2025 10:21

H112 · 23/02/2025 10:18

Pity you weren't in med school with me so. You're all so ignorant in the UK when it comes to transpeople. Is it not being thought in schools or through the NHS?

Why do you all even care if someone calls themselves their correct gender. It doesn't threaten anyone or anything. Please get educated.

I’m glad I wasn’t in med school with you yes 😂. Being male is literally the only prerequisite for being a trans woman.

I care because sex matters, as does facts over feelings. This stupid reality denying stance is affecting a lot of women.

Please take your own advice (and stop being silly).

borntobequiet · 23/02/2025 10:21

Pity you weren't in med school with me so

Seriously. You were in medical school? We all need to be worried.

Though mostly people who get into medical school can spell, so perhaps not.

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