Page 7 | Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

ThisPinkWyvern · 2025-02-22T02:04:15+00:00

Under Trump's transgender policy, which echoes the ideology of the Gender Critical Movement, trans women are men and trans men are women. This view denies and rejects as worthless and baseless the lived experience of millions of men and women in the US who identify as trans. As a result of having their lived experience of themself ignored and denied by law, millions of trans men as well as trans women are now experiencing deep psychological trauma and living in abject fear and terror in the US. Many are trying to leave the country because they are so terrified. The almost total silence of the Gender Critical Movement and it's supporters about the effect that it's ideology has had on those hundreds of thousand of women who self identify as men is deafening.It's whole argument about banning trans women from female public toilets and other ' women only spaces' is based on the argument that denying trans women the right to access these spaces is needed to protect the safety of women and girls. Given the fear, terror and trauma that hundreds of thousands of women( trans men) are now experiencing in the US, as a result of the government putting into practise Gender Critical Movement ideology, the sense of safety and well-being of hundreds of thousands of women has been devastated. This makes the infinitesimally small number of cases where women have been or ever would be assaulted by a trans woman in a women only space pale into insignificance by comparison. In short, the Gender Critical Movement is directly responsible for harming the well being of hundreds of thousands of WOMEN according to it's own ideology.The damage done by implementing it's ideology makes a sickening mockery of it's claim that it's ideology protects the safety of women and girls. When the number of men( trans women) in the US who are now living in fear and terror in the US is taken into account as well, the Gender Critical Movement and all those who support it are directly responsible for terrorising millions of people. It is impossible to claim that we are supporting women's rights and protecting the safety of women if we support the Gender Critical Movement.

Savemefromwetdog · 23/02/2025 11:13

Apennyforapound · 23/02/2025 11:11

Yes biologically correct sex determined by science. It doesn't mean they're not allowed to feel like they're in the wrong body, and that they should have been born as the opposite sex. It is obviously impossible for them to ever be the sex they want to be.

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And they shouldn’t try to continue the delusion by demanding access to women’s spaces - a sex which we all agree they can never be.

borntobequiet · 23/02/2025 11:12

Apennyforapound · 23/02/2025 10:58

I agree with this in the sense of biology. I do however think that this man is a woman in her mind, and born in the wrong biological body (that body is either biologically male, or biologically female, as much as they would prefer it to be otherwise). You can only change that body to an extent using science, and there is no uterus and different pelvic organs.

People don't attempt to change sex flippantly, I can not imagine going through all of the hormone process and painful operations. At the end of all of this, they have a body that is as close as possible to the sex they should have been born as.

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You are saying that this person suffers from a delusion that can be alleviated with medication and surgery. OK.

”Born in the wrong body”, however, is nonsense.

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 23/02/2025 11:11

Apennyforapound · 23/02/2025 11:03

I always think with or without operations they are always biologically the opposite sex. They have been born in the wrong body, and are just doing their best to feel happy. I am fortunate that I am not in that situation, and was born female and felt I was in the right body. I cannot imagine the opposite.

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I cannot imagine the opposite

But you believe that someone born male, raised male and with male experiences can imagine how it feels to be female?

How can someone be in the wrong body is there a gendered soul and a sexed body and some good type figure whos job it is to pop a soul into embryo but sometimes they get it wrong? Why does this apply to sex/gender rather than those born with/without physical disabilities or age or ethnicity? Why can't I take to a wheelchair and declare that I shouldn't have functioning leg and I must have been in the wrong body? Or rock up to infant school and declare myself winner of the egg and spoon race.

Apennyforapound · 23/02/2025 11:11

Chersfrozenface · 23/02/2025 11:08

People don't change sex flippantly, I can not imagine going through all of the hormone process and painful operations.

A lot of trans identified males don't "go through ... the hormone process". A very, very large proportion don't "go through ... painful operations".

At the end of all of this, they have a body to as close as possible to the sex they should have been born as.

"the sex they should have been born as"? No such thing. Everyone is born in the body which developed as a result of biological processes, starting with conception, with sex being decided by the sex chromosome carried by the male sperm which fertilised the egg.

There's no "should have been". There's only "is".

Yes biologically correct sex determined by science. It doesn't mean they're not allowed to feel like they're in the wrong body, and that they should have been born as the opposite sex. It is obviously impossible for them to ever be the sex they want to be.

BMW6 · 23/02/2025 11:10

At the end of all of this, they have a body that is as close as possible to the sex they should have been born as.

As close as possible yes - but it still isn't a change of sex is it. All the changes are only cosmetic. Superficial.

A Transman will never have a Prostate, produce semen, because they cant change their Y chromosomes to X.

A Transwoman will never have ovaries, a Uterus, menstruate, because they can't change an X chromosome to Y.

Neither can go back in time to live from birth in their changed sex even if the required chromosome change were possible. So they will never have the lived experience of being the sex they think they would rather have been born.

Faking it isn't making it.

Chersfrozenface · 23/02/2025 11:08

People don't change sex flippantly, I can not imagine going through all of the hormone process and painful operations.

A lot of trans identified males don't "go through ... the hormone process". A very, very large proportion don't "go through ... painful operations".

At the end of all of this, they have a body to as close as possible to the sex they should have been born as.

"the sex they should have been born as"? No such thing. Everyone is born in the body which developed as a result of biological processes, starting with conception, with sex being decided by the sex chromosome carried by the male sperm which fertilised the egg.

There's no "should have been". There's only "is".

Gallstoned · 23/02/2025 11:07

MarsScarlet · 23/02/2025 11:02

Why are you tagging me?

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Oh sorry, I meant @H112

Igneococcus · 23/02/2025 11:07

borntobequiet · 23/02/2025 10:45

I too was brought up a Catholic and have been struck by the similarity in dogma, and the coercive tactics.
I was told repeatedly that if I didn’t believe, I’d go to Hell and burn for all eternity. The similarity in sentiment and language to some used by gender ideologues is remarkable. (I notice that GI people have now adopted “ideologue”, to describe GC people, not realising that it’s an inappropriate description for someone who supports reality vs fiction.)

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Yes, there is some real religious fervour within TR activism but even though I grew up in deepest-darkest Catholic Bavaria I can only remember a few people who were equally fervent about their Catholic believes. It's almost like the need to believe in something trumps every other consideration such as basic logic.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2025 11:07

Lovely misrepresentation of the linked thread, Hellofabore.

I was on it too, and I don't think so.

Apennyforapound · 23/02/2025 11:07

spannasaurus · 23/02/2025 11:05

Nobody is born in the wrong body.

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In your opinion. It is easy for us to say though, as we are happy with the sex we were born as. They will never biologically be the sex they want to be, that is obviously impossible.

GoingOnBehindTheScenes · 23/02/2025 11:06

when it comes to spotting posters i can never tell

No. I’m sure you don’t have to 🫢

Alucard55 · 23/02/2025 11:06

H112 · 23/02/2025 10:13

Transwomen are women. They don't effect my daily life as a woman so why would I care about what they do.

You can't consent for other women though. And a lot of women are very clearly saying that they do not want men who identify as not men in their female only spaces.

spannasaurus · 23/02/2025 11:05

Apennyforapound · 23/02/2025 11:03

I always think with or without operations they are always biologically the opposite sex. They have been born in the wrong body, and are just doing their best to feel happy. I am fortunate that I am not in that situation, and was born female and felt I was in the right body. I cannot imagine the opposite.

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Nobody is born in the wrong body.

Savemefromwetdog · 23/02/2025 11:04

What is the difference between "lived experience" and "experience”

It’s used when people want their own opinion to trump actual fact. So, to be allowed to spout nonsense with free rein, essentially.

Apennyforapound · 23/02/2025 11:03

spannasaurus · 23/02/2025 11:01

A large proportion of trans people don't take any hormones or have any surgery. Neither of these things are required to have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment or to be issued a gender recognition certificate that makes you legally the opposite sex

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I always think with or without operations they are always biologically the opposite sex. They have been born in the wrong body, and are just doing their best to feel happy. I am fortunate that I am not in that situation, and was born female and felt I was in the right body. I cannot imagine the opposite.

MarsScarlet · 23/02/2025 11:02

Gallstoned · 23/02/2025 10:54

@MarsScarlet
@Booboobagins
@ThisPinkWyvern
@user1471523931
@Cornflakes123

Please could you write a definition of female gender?

Just a short definition, shouldn't take long.

Thanks.

Why are you tagging me?

Travelodge · 23/02/2025 11:01

HelmholtzWatson · 22/02/2025 06:45

Been wanting to ask for someone for a while, so this seems like a good opportunity.

What is the difference between "lived experience" and "experience"?

There isn’t one, but people use "lived experience" in a silly attempt to make their experiences sound more intense, more important and more deserving of respect.

spannasaurus · 23/02/2025 11:01

Apennyforapound · 23/02/2025 10:58

I agree with this in the sense of biology. I do however think that this man is a woman in her mind, and born in the wrong biological body (that body is either biologically male, or biologically female, as much as they would prefer it to be otherwise). You can only change that body to an extent using science, and there is no uterus and different pelvic organs.

People don't attempt to change sex flippantly, I can not imagine going through all of the hormone process and painful operations. At the end of all of this, they have a body that is as close as possible to the sex they should have been born as.

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A large proportion of trans people don't take any hormones or have any surgery. Neither of these things are required to have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment or to be issued a gender recognition certificate that makes you legally the opposite sex

lifeturnsonadime · 23/02/2025 10:59

Apennyforapound · 23/02/2025 10:58

I agree with this in the sense of biology. I do however think that this man is a woman in her mind, and born in the wrong biological body (that body is either biologically male, or biologically female, as much as they would prefer it to be otherwise). You can only change that body to an extent using science, and there is no uterus and different pelvic organs.

People don't attempt to change sex flippantly, I can not imagine going through all of the hormone process and painful operations. At the end of all of this, they have a body that is as close as possible to the sex they should have been born as.

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No one has ever changed sex because it’s impossible.

Apennyforapound · 23/02/2025 10:58

Alucard55 · 22/02/2025 03:14

A man who chops his penis off is just a man who has chopped his penis off.

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I agree with this in the sense of biology. I do however think that this man is a woman in her mind, and born in the wrong biological body (that body is either biologically male, or biologically female, as much as they would prefer it to be otherwise). You can only change that body to an extent using science, and there is no uterus and different pelvic organs.

People don't attempt to change sex flippantly, I can not imagine going through all of the hormone process and painful operations. At the end of all of this, they have a body that is as close as possible to the sex they should have been born as.

spannasaurus · 23/02/2025 10:56

There's also the constant switching between gender and sex with no consistent logic.

We're told that gender is different to sex so you can't change sex but you can transition to a new gender but then we are expected to treat people as if they were the sex that matches their new gender.

Helleofabore · 23/02/2025 10:55

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2025 10:47

But after that was aired, wasn’t there a pivot to ‘no one is saying they actually change sex’ for a period of time?

There was indeed.

We had the build up with McKinnon / Ivy’s interviews making the point that they had indeed changed sex and that as a philosophy university lecturer, they were interviewed internationally. And we saw others who claimed they had changed sex.

Then Dr Winston said no one changes sex. And it was then said that no one was saying that they could change sex at all, and that everyone misunderstood.

And that no people with transgender identities believed they could change sex or even said it. But the messaging has been forgotten. Now we have junior doctors declaring they are indeed female when they are male.

Gallstoned · 23/02/2025 10:54

@MarsScarlet
@Booboobagins
@ThisPinkWyvern
@user1471523931
@Cornflakes123

Please could you write a definition of female gender?

Just a short definition, shouldn't take long.

Thanks.

BMW6 · 23/02/2025 10:52

H112 · 23/02/2025 10:13

Transwomen are women. They don't effect my daily life as a woman so why would I care about what they do.

And the Earth is flat.

It makes no difference to you that it is flat does it, so you must agree with me. Do you?

Helleofabore · 23/02/2025 10:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2025 10:46

The similarity in sentiment and language to some used by gender ideologues is remarkable. (I notice that GI people have now adopted “ideologue”, to describe GC people, not realising that it’s an inappropriate description for someone who supports reality vs fiction.)

The DARVO reversals are the TRA signature tactic.

Aren’t they just!