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Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

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ThisPinkWyvern · 22/02/2025 02:04

Under Trump's transgender policy, which echoes the ideology of the Gender Critical Movement, trans women are men and trans men are women. This view denies and rejects as worthless and baseless the lived experience of millions of men and women in the US who identify as trans. As a result of having their lived experience of themself ignored and denied by law, millions of trans men as well as trans women are now experiencing deep psychological trauma and living in abject fear and terror in the US. Many are trying to leave the country because they are so terrified.

The almost total silence of the Gender Critical Movement and it's supporters about the effect that it's ideology has had on those hundreds of thousand of women who self identify as men is deafening.It's whole argument about banning trans women from female public toilets and other ' women only spaces' is based on the argument that denying trans women the right to access these spaces is needed to protect the safety of women and girls. Given the fear, terror and trauma that hundreds of thousands of women( trans men) are now experiencing in the US, as a result of the government putting into practise Gender Critical Movement ideology, the sense of safety and well-being of hundreds of thousands of women has been devastated. This makes the infinitesimally small number of cases where women have been or ever would be assaulted by a trans woman in a women only space pale into insignificance by comparison.

In short, the Gender Critical Movement is directly responsible for harming the well being of hundreds of thousands of WOMEN according to it's own ideology.The damage done by implementing it's ideology makes a sickening mockery of it's claim that it's ideology protects the safety of women and girls.

When the number of men( trans women) in the US who are now living in fear and terror in the US is taken into account as well, the Gender Critical Movement and all those who support it are directly responsible for terrorising millions of people. It is impossible to claim that we are supporting women's rights and protecting the safety of women if we support the Gender Critical Movement.

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Daisymae23 · 22/02/2025 09:14

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/02/2025 09:09

Oh don't fall for this. Many trans people are backtracking in this way, trying to maintain access to female facilities for themselves now they see which way the wind is blowing.

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Honestly, with Alexis Blake if I saw her in a woman’s toilet I wouldn’t have a problem at all. Toilets have cubicles. But that is my feelings and it might make someone else uncomfortable and therefore feel third spaces are important.

i actually feel I might feel uncomfortable with a biological female who is a trans man in a female toilet.

what I would have a problem with is a biological male in a female changing room. That would make me incredibly uncomfortable abd that’s where I feel the focus should be on.

OrangeYaGlad · 22/02/2025 09:14

Hhoudini · 22/02/2025 09:11

She’s been at it a good while from what I’ve seen. I don’t think this is a case of her back tracking in fairness. She’s always been very balanced.

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It's not balanced. It's selfish. It's all about him, what he wants, what he needs, and the pretending to be so careful about women's spaces .... It's pure bollocks.

WillIEverBeOk · 22/02/2025 09:12

Bigcat25 · 22/02/2025 08:38

You don't know what you are talking about. Suicide rates went down where people were allowed to transition. Not living according to there GI is a big part of the trauma.

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Its you that doesn't know what you are are talking about. Evidence shows suicide rates INCREASE post (surgical) transition. Probably because they realise they never actually truly changed sex.

Hhoudini · 22/02/2025 09:11

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/02/2025 09:09

Oh don't fall for this. Many trans people are backtracking in this way, trying to maintain access to female facilities for themselves now they see which way the wind is blowing.

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She’s been at it a good while from what I’ve seen. I don’t think this is a case of her back tracking in fairness. She’s always been very balanced.

ILikeDungs · 22/02/2025 09:11

I really enjoyed OP's posts because it proves women were right:

THEY GOT NOTHING.

All they've got is "I have a feeling in my head that means a lot and a man is a woman if he lops his willy off."

"No Debate" is over and it is glorious

Helleofabore · 22/02/2025 09:11

Rosie8880 · 22/02/2025 08:43

If someone is experiencing pain, mental agony due to them feeling they are physically the wrong gender - this must be incredibly traumatic. Can you imagine what it must feel like to feel you have the wrong gender, the wrong body? I can’t as I do not feel that way, but what business is it of anyone else to make judgement. All of us have male and female chromosomes, X & Y. Whats interesting is in nature, gender is not rigid - animals/ species change or flip btw genders, changing their gender from birth. Some species have both male and female characteristics and sexual organs. (As do some humans). Some species behave as if they were the opposite sex - the diversity is present in nature. It’s nothing groundbreaking, strange, nor unnatural. We humans have created a rigid concept of binary gender - which isn’t based on facts. I can appreciate this is challenging but look to nature to see the diversity. As a side note, following the fact that diversity is entirely natural, why can’t we allow others to live their lives in ways they want - it isn’t causing any harm. There seems to be some hysteria about men in changing rooms - I can’t recall prior to a few years ago anyone really getting up in arms about this. I struggle with why all of a sudden this issue has become to talked about. It’s strange and has a whiff of scapegoating and finding ways to create “otherness”’ rather than wanting to embrace diversity and live together peacefully, accepting others as they want to be accepted. This is a useful article about diversity in nature. www.snexplores.org/article/explainer-male-female-flexibility-animals

Humans are not clownfish, they are not crocodiles and they most definitely cannot change sex. There are only two sexes of humans.

If you have found the article you have linked useful in explaining human sex, and believe that sex can change and that gender should be prioritised above sex when the sex of a person is important, perhaps you need to read more widely.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/02/2025 09:09

Daisymae23 · 22/02/2025 08:43

I recently came across Alexis Blake on instagram. I totally recommend watching her instagram and you tube as a very balanced viewpoint from a trans woman.

she is very clear that she is a trans woman and therefore is a biological male and that this cannot be ignored. She calls herself a guest in a woman’s space- saying although she uses woman’s toilets, she does everything to to ensure no one is uncomfortable and that her ‘comfort’ should never overtake that of a biological woman in their space. She calls out the ‘trans activists’ who are just in for what she calls rage bait.

she’s made what I think are some really valid points - that she would want her passport to say Female to ensure her safety while travelling, but is important that being born a male is not erased - as it will be important for health care that health care professionals understand that she has male anatomy.

Oh don't fall for this. Many trans people are backtracking in this way, trying to maintain access to female facilities for themselves now they see which way the wind is blowing.

OrangeYaGlad · 22/02/2025 09:07

Can't have it both ways. We're harming women you say...but you also say they're men. And we're harming them by calling them women. So we're not harming women.

It's a nonsensical catch 22 and you know it

peanutbuttertoasty · 22/02/2025 09:06

Wholeheartedly support Trump on this. The sooner this absurdly delusional and dangerous trend is put in the bin the better. I can only hope an outbreak of common sense prevails here too, for the sake of our children. People have had enough of this shit and its overreaching, coercive demands. As a society we have far bigger problems to deal with and could do without all the oxygen in the room being taken up by the trans agenda.

Clarice99 · 22/02/2025 09:06

YABU.

There's no idealogy in sex. Gender is the idealogy, not sex.

I'm 'Team Trump' on this particular issue.

Upstartled · 22/02/2025 09:06

The Earth isn't flat, people can't change sex, the birds aren't surveillance drones. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Meceme · 22/02/2025 09:05

Sevenamcoffee · 22/02/2025 08:58

I know someone who is not a trans man, female but looks very masculine. She has been hounded out of women’s toilets and avoids them.

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Unlikely, as soon as she spoke she would be identified as female.

Helleofabore · 22/02/2025 09:04

Did someone say ‘clownfish’? People are not clownfish.

Or bats

and girls, just train harder!!

Meceme · 22/02/2025 09:04

Inspectorlemon · 22/02/2025 08:56

Talking of toilets - trans men, look and sound exactly like biological men. So, if they started using female toilets that would surely alarm women, wouldn’t it?

Transmen rarely "look and sound like biological men". Height, musclature, gait, q angles, foot and hand size, wrist circumference are all give aways.

Some appear to pass in photos but in real life, among a mixed group they very rarely do. Women are really very good at sexing others.

Even at night, in low light, wearing full covering dark clothing. Science has proved this.

Women have developed this skill for their own protection, men ... not so much.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/02/2025 09:04

decorativecushions · 22/02/2025 09:02

Oh just shut up.

Use the bathroom that corresponds with what's in your pants, or what was in your pants before you had bits lopped off/glued on.

Is that hard to understand?

Amen.

There is absolutely no such thing as a toilet or bathroom which matches your or anyone else's "gender identity", so you cannot use one.

There are only toilets and bathrooms for your sex, the opposite sex, or both sexes.

Reetpetitenot · 22/02/2025 09:04

WillIEverBeOk · 22/02/2025 08:59

With the amount of people claiming to be trans, including a 6000% (six thousand percent) increase in schoolchildren claiming to be trans, I'd put it around 5% to 10%, more likely. Sometimes it seems like 20%. I do not buy its only 1% or less. No way in the world.

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Social contagion.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/02/2025 09:03

Inspectorlemon · 22/02/2025 08:56

Talking of toilets - trans men, look and sound exactly like biological men. So, if they started using female toilets that would surely alarm women, wouldn’t it?

Most of them still look obviously female. For the vanishingly rare ones who do genuinely "pass", using the men's is probably the right thing to do. They don't pose any threat to men.

decorativecushions · 22/02/2025 09:02

Oh just shut up.

Use the bathroom that corresponds with what's in your pants, or what was in your pants before you had bits lopped off/glued on.

Is that hard to understand?

TheaBrandt1 · 22/02/2025 09:00

There isn’t a “gender critical ideology ” or movement we are not doing anything different just continuing knowing there are two sexes as humans have known since the beginning time

WillIEverBeOk · 22/02/2025 08:59

Fimofriend · 22/02/2025 08:13

No, the claim that one percent of the population is trans comes from a British survey that used a vocabulary that was hard to understand. Especially for foreigners. When researchers noticed that the level of trans identified individuals was much higher in areas with many foreigners they became suspicious and sent out a new survey asking about the same subjects but with a clearer language. The new survey indicates that the number of trans identified individuals is much much lower than one percent.

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With the amount of people claiming to be trans, including a 6000% (six thousand percent) increase in schoolchildren claiming to be trans, I'd put it around 5% to 10%, more likely. Sometimes it seems like 20%. I do not buy its only 1% or less. No way in the world.

Sevenamcoffee · 22/02/2025 08:58

Inspectorlemon · 22/02/2025 08:56

Talking of toilets - trans men, look and sound exactly like biological men. So, if they started using female toilets that would surely alarm women, wouldn’t it?

I know someone who is not a trans man, female but looks very masculine. She has been hounded out of women’s toilets and avoids them.

scorpiogirly · 22/02/2025 08:58

What about the lived experience of women when men try to appropriate womanhood?

Trump is right to do this. Hopefully it will start putting an end to this contagious nonsense.

Cornflakes123 · 22/02/2025 08:57

BaMamma · 22/02/2025 02:46

I think you're being unreasonable but you're fairly unintelligible, so it's hard to be sure.

If what you're trying to say is that transmen, who are actually women, use female bathrooms, they'll be in danger, then, no, I don't think so.

It's kind of tragic how obvious transmen are, with their cute little hands and feet, and wispy little beardlets.

This is a nasty comment. No need for it .

Helleofabore · 22/02/2025 08:57

Can we also get some discussion on this thread about why there are over 130 genders but some extreme transgender activists only focus on 1 - male people. Occasionally 2 if they want to leverage female people with transgender identities needs to support those male people. Sometimes even non-binary people get remembered.

Why do so many extreme transgender activists ignore the 130 + other genders?

Inspectorlemon · 22/02/2025 08:56

Talking of toilets - trans men, look and sound exactly like biological men. So, if they started using female toilets that would surely alarm women, wouldn’t it?

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