Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

there is not one documented instance of a human with both a functional ovary and a functional testes

intersex is not a third sex, the vast vast majority of intersex people are either female or male

because humans really are a sexually dimorphic species, male and female, defined on the ability of each having developed on a pathway to produce small motile gametes (male) or large immobile gametes (female)

every single human being now and in our evolutionary history has been created from sexual reproduction, the fusing of a sperm and an egg

zero exceptions, ever

there are only two sexes

there is ZERO evidence that any human being ever now or in our evolutionary history has changed from a functional male to female or vice versa

stop with your nonsense

Transmen/boys rarely pass....least not the ones I have come accross in real life.

'We have people born with both male and female sex organs. Using this fact, We can see we have at least three genders, based on biology. It’s really challenging to unpick'

Again, can I suggest that you read more widely and read the writings of evolutionary or developmental biologists or medical experts in the field of categorising sex.

What you are now doing, whether it is your intention or not, is to leverage a group of people's medical conditions (those who are born with differences of sex development, they are not 'intersex' in medical terms) to support gender identity theory. Every person can be categorised as either male or female through the modern testing techniques.

Even those few hundred that people like to leverage for their political gain.

Do you believe that this is appropriate?

'What I find interesting is the rationale based on biology is actually flawed. It isn’t factual.'

There are only two sexes in humans. Within those two sexes there are a huge range of body variations. And no person can change the sex they were born.

The only commonality that has been found in the group of people who declare that they have transgender identities is their philosophical belief. There is nothing that can be diagnosed using biology for transgender identities.

'And then what is interesting is where does society go from there - that is the choice of society, something we have choices that connect to values and beliefs.'

Why should one group's philosophical beliefs and values be prioritised above the needs of female people based on their very established safety needs and what they need to overcome millennia of negative sexist discrimination and oppression?

'This is a useful article:'

It really isn't. You really need to seek out the information given by developmental biologists, evolutionary biologists and medical doctors.

Trans men are women
Trans women are men

Gender critical people are telling clear biological facts.

They should be grateful. Surely no one actually wants to use a male toilet, they’re disgusting , urinals stink!

I'm as gender critical as anyone but agree that Alexis Blake does make a lot of sense on this issue.

What fallacious nonsense are they spouting in the plannedparenthood link? My computer won't let me get there because the site can't provide safe access.

More rubbish. I truly despair at the anti-science rhetoric some people so confidently insist on.

And ultimately yes, I agree with you.

i guess my point is that I have appreciated a more respectful discussion from someone who is not quite frankly mansplaining as I feel a lot of the trans activists are.

Trans men are women. And the kindest thing would have been for the people around them to tell them that they will always be women but that they are free to present in whatever way they choose. The trauma comes from having been fed the lie that the world will perceive them as men when they are clearly not.

There is no "Gender Critical Movement" - there are simply millions of people who, correctly believe, that biological sex trumps identity, that no human can change sex, and that single sex spaces, for both women and men ought to be protected.

Perhaps the TR movement could do some self-reflection and consider that insisting that women have to share changing rooms with male persons or see them cheat at sport and take their trophies and competition places from them or call their rapist ‘she’ in court might not have been a very sensible way to encourage sympathy for the very small number of genuine trans people?

And no one would have encouraged my sons to think they’re girls without me removing them from that school.

It’s gaslighting to expect people to use ‘she’ for someone they know is a ‘he’ and vice versa, would really struggle with this and find it humiliating and controlling, if someone’s sense of wellbeing depends on the rest of the world going along with a lie then it’s never going to end well.

More mental health support for dysphoria is clearly needed.
Lying to people, cutting them up and medicating them clearly doesn't work. No trans process has reached it's conclusion. Sex change is not possible. Time to end the experiment.

Planned Parenthood are a child medical transition organisation who frequently sterilise children, so of course they have to post lies and propaganda to prop up their ideological practices.

It’s not likely they’ll have something on their website saying “sex is immutable and cannot change, gender is a social construct subject to variation in children. But despite this, we’re going to inflict irreversible changes on the bodies of children anyway”, is it?

If you’re going to be batshit, may as well go the whole hog.

Yes exactly

It's absolutely infuriating, yes 🤯

Can I add in 'women with large clitorises are not born with both genitals'.

Honest to goodness do we have to do this all every fucking hour of every fucking day?

This

Honestly, with Alexis Blake if I saw her in a woman’s toilet I wouldn’t have a problem at all. Toilets have cubicles. But that is my feelings and it might make someone else uncomfortable and therefore feel third spaces are important.

what I would have a problem with is a biological male in a female changing room. That would make me incredibly uncomfortable abd that’s where I feel the focus should be on.

The problem is that you can't just open up female spaces to the men you feel comfortable with. You allow in the bad guys too. I would go so far as to say that even your pet transwoman is the kind of man who clearly is comfortable violating female boundaries and is not one of the good guys.

Can we instigate a zero tolerance policy for nonsense on this thread.

There are two sexes. No third sex or in between sex exists.

Mammals cannot change sex. Your sex is encoded in every single cell of your body.

DSDs (not 'intersex') exist. They are sex specific and do not counter any of the above information. They have zero to do with the 'trans' debate and that community have asked not to be co-opted into the discussion.

Hope that helps.

People cannot 'transition' to another gender as gender doesn't exist. And all of us are just men or women. Get the words right and everything else is crystal clear.

Apologies rosie

it does say it…..but as others have said you are still only male or female

It is 'trans down' which means up.

People who transition to a gender other than their birth gender are trans. The rest of us are men and women. That's my first point all this cys crap annoys the f out of me.

But, their sex does not change, their gender changes. If we get the nomenclature right, everything else is easier.

I don't like what Trump is doing in terms of general discrimination, but trans women competing in sport against women is wrong on an absolutely fundamental level, so he has this spot on. Trans people need their own sports categories.

Trans people already have mental health impacts caused because they believe they are the wrong gender. We should, as another poster said support and help them. If they want to transition, that's their choice but they need to realise that not everyone is going to support them. Sexism is rife, and whilst that's not acceptable, trans people need to get in line with women, gay people & a small number of men who suffer sexism!

Intersex people are still either male OR female. They are not in between or a third sex. You seem confused.

Also, intersex people have asked that they not be weaponised in this debate. Please respect their request.

This point has been said for many years now.

There is no credible source of data that shows that medical transition reduces the suicides of those receiving cross sex hormones, puberty blockers and surgeries. Because often the patient realises that these treatments didn’t make them feel better. When they were under the impression that those were the key to feeling better.

Plus the issue is that the vast majority of the people receiving these treatments have underlying comorbid issues causing significantly poor mental health. And those conditions are not being diagnosed and treated.

There has been lots of discussion around some extreme transgender activist views that to treat some comorbid conditions should be considered ‘conversion’ therapy. This discussion is read and taken on by others who then refuse to explore these comorbities and instead insist that they want hormones and surgery. To find out that they needed to deal with those comorbities but have made their physical health now significantly worse.