Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

Don’t forget… sometime in the future we will definitely be able to do this so we should just accept it as being true.

I just went and caught up on Blake’s YouTube. Is that a nightie that Blake is wearing on this latest video? While saying that a bloke using the weak arsed argument that he could now enter the toilets and state he was a transman to access them, was a really good and supposedly new point?

No. thank you.

And the bloke’s argument that Blake thought was convincing is weak for a few reasons. Firstly it is just a version of ‘but a man can enter the spaces anyway ‘. Secondly, the female people in that toilet can most likely correctly sex a male person. They might have less success correctly sexing a female who has taken testosterone. Thirdly, Blake is still using this as a crutch to allow for Blake’s inclusion by saying it is ‘too hard to make law for so we shouldn’t’ meaning laws don’t exclude Blake.

Yes. Blake is honest about being male. But Blake is just another extreme transgender rights activist because Blake insists that gender is prioritised above sex when it is sex that matters.

It's the ultimate in wish fulfillment. Ways that they try to fulfill this wish:

• Some animals can change sex. Humans are animals, therefore humans can change sex (basic logical fallacy)
• Sex is a complicated and woolly timey wimey thing that we can't define, deffo some sort if spectrum therefore I can change sex
• Sex is irrelevant and probably a transphobic dog whistle, therefore I can change sex
• I am biological! I am a woman! Therefore I am a biological woman, ergo I have changed sex (cf India Willoughby and most recently Dr Beth Upton)
• Shut up terf etc, etc

I think it's definitely a political thing for a very noisy minority.

But for most transgender people, I believe that that they are mentally unwell and that they do genuinely believe that they were "born in the wrong body" or whatever. And some of them may also genuinely believe that it is somehow possible to change sex.

Sadly, I think the noisy minority with a political agenda have probably made it much harder for those who are mentally unwell to get the help that they really need, because so many individuals and institutions have been bullied into legitimising and reaffirming their delusions instead of helping them to come to terms with the biological reality.

If someone is experiencing pain, mental agony due to them feeling they are physically the wrong gender - this must be incredibly traumatic. - Yes it must and I am very sympathetic to anyone in mental agony or experiencing trauma. But my opinion is that they should receive sympathetic treatment to accept themselves as they are.

All of us have male and female chromosomes, X & Y. Whats interesting is in nature, gender is not rigid - animals/ species change or flip btw gender - yes this is true, and as a biologist I agree very interesting. However humans as a species don't flip sex so this argument is irrelevant here.

We humans have created a rigid concept of binary gender - which isn’t based on facts. - yes we have and I believe rigid gender stereotypes are indeed harmful and have contributed hugely to the mess we're in currently. Biological sex however is binary and not a "concept" humans have created, but a biological fact.

why can’t we allow others to live their lives in ways they want - I agree as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights and safety of others

it isn’t causing any harm. - it is actually, biological women and girls have been harmed by this,

There seems to be some hysteria about men in changing rooms - I can’t recall prior to a few years ago anyone really getting up in arms about this. - as a woman I find the term hysteria offensive so you might want to consider not using it. Nevertheless women and girls have very valid reasons for being concerned about men in women only spaces. A few years ago men weren't generally allowed to use women's changing rooms so no it wasn't an issue. However if you go further back to the 1970s feminists fought very hard to get single sex spaces for women.

I struggle with why all of a sudden this issue has become to talked about. - it's not all of a sudden, it's been talked about for years, but women were not listened to and labelled terfs and bigots, so many were too intimidated to speak out.

It’s strange and has a whiff of scapegoating and finding ways to create “otherness” - really? Isn't the concept of "non binary" creating otherness? The CG movement is actually doing the opposite of creating otherness!

rather than wanting to embrace diversity and live together peacefully - I'm sure most women would love to live together peacefully, shame there are so many violent and abusive men around

accepting others as they want to be accepted - most people do, it's just that increasing numbers of people draw the line at accepting that humans can change biological sex

You’re sounding more unhinged with every post. And go ahead, tell me how that’s discriminating against hinges, or something.

I love it! That's very funny! 🤣

What quite interests me is whether people like the Op genuinely bellieve they can change sex.
Unless you are very mentall unwell surely nobody suffers that level of delusion.
So is it just a political thing?

Humans cannot change sex. Genital surgery does not change chromosomes.

The Democrats’ devotion to putting men in women’s prisons, refuges and sports, and to pretending that pregnancy and childbirth are not exclusively female health issues, is partly responsible for putting a deranged con artist in charge of the free world. It swayed some votes.

We have a potential Putin lackey in charge of a huge nuclear arsenal, US justice systems are being torn apart, an unelected billionaire has free access to government data about US citizens, key services have been compromised by mass sackings, and if Putin’s plan pays off European democracy will be destroyed in a Trump/ Putin pincer movement. Trump has realised that he just needs to rip up the constitutional rules and he’s got himself a cosy dictatorship. Many of us are genuinely fearful for the future of democracy.

Meanwhile, some men are angry that they can no longer get naked among unwilling, intimidated naked women and girls. Nobody should live in fear, but under Trump everyone lives in fear.

You can claim whatever you want about yourself. You can't compel others to go along with your delusion.

What a load of shite, honestly. You seriously think that a penis or vagina is the only indicator of biological sex. Yes, it’s the factor used to identify a baby’s sex at birth, because, you know, that’s the way it works.
And if only the individual has access to their “I” then why are you speaking for every transperson?
You’re sounding more unhinged with every post. And go ahead, tell me how that’s discriminating against hinges, or something.

I think worth stating again, and every time DSDs are forced teamed with gender identity:

Transpeople used to be routinely tested for hormonal and chromosomal abnormalities as there was assumed to be a link between the two.

That no longer happens since the results of that long period of testing showed that DSDs are not more common in transpeople as "truthy" as it feels that they must be.

DSDs tell us absolutely nothing about why some biologically bang average people feel that they are a different sex.

Yes. Adding to a growing list of them.

I need to hear some strong arguments from the 5% who agreed with the OP's gender identity statements.

Well, you’ll be lucky (but you know that).

Well then there is a huge issue with mental health in the US

It needs addressing

I notice that the vote is 95% YABU.

I need to hear some strong arguments from the 5% who agreed with the OP's gender identity statements. Why should the rest of the population fall into line with some people's immersive role-play? What are the biological explanations for a bloke becoming a woman when his penis is removed?

And BTW OP saying "man without penis = girl" is just so fucking insulting

I'm going to try to break down some of this nonsense.

It is having one's lived experience denied that is responsible for the psychological trauma.

It's not a genuine "lived experience" of being the opposite sex. Trans people need their "lady props" and "man props", otherwise no one would know they were supposed to be the opposite sex. That isn't a real or authentic "lived experience".

The only "lived experience" any of us can have is based on our biological reality.

No one is fooled by a wispy little lady beard on a woman pretending to be a man, or a dress and wig on a man pretending to be a woman. Some people will go along with the pretence to be "kind" or polite, but no one really believes that these people have changed sex.

A real woman is still a real woman without "lady props" like lipstick and a wig. A real man is still obviously a real man without a beard.

Everytime the wrong pronoun is used, everytime a gender designation appears on an identity document that conflicts with an individuals innate experience of themself

This is about their denial of reality about themselves. The "wrong" pronoun is the right pronoun. It's their delusion that is causing the conflict.

It's unfortunate that it causes them distress, but it's not the responsibility of other people to indulge the delusion that someone is the opposite sex because they put on their lady or man props and say they are.

If the biological sex of an individual cannot be changed then the results of using the same test to determine the sex of the individual at birth would remain unchanged no matter at what point the criteria was applied during an individual's life.

This is the kind of nonsense that feeds into the claim a lot of trans activists make that you can't tell a person's sex without looking in their pants.

At birth, whether a person has a penis or not is a (almost, excepting very rare abnormalities) foolproof indication of whether the child is male or female. However, it is not the only outward indication and as the child grows older it very soon becomes obvious whether it's a girl or boy, without any need for nappy or pant inspection.

Obviously things can happen that lead to a boy or man losing his penis. For example he might have an accident, treatment for cancer, or he might voluntarily have it removed, because he thinks he's a woman. The reason for the loss of his penis is entirely irrelevant. He is still a man and will be for the rest of his life.

Likewise, a woman who has a mastectomy, hysterectomy or oophrectomy, for any reason remains a woman.

A woman might have an appendage between her legs formed from tissue from her arm or leg to look like a penis, but she is still a woman.

5 or 6 years ago this thread would have been deleted or moved to FWR

So true.

Exactly. You can't make any exceptions, whether it's only the nice ones, or the good at passing ones, or the ones who've had surgery, or any other group. If you let even one male into a women's single sex space, it's no longer a single sex space. Plenty of men who know they're men are lovely too, why aren't we letting them in?

The transwomen doing the 'I'm nice and reasonable and respectful' thing are still male. They're just better than the shouty ones at hiding the fact that all they really care about is getting what they want. If they respected women, they wouldn't be trying to get into our spaces.

There was always going to be an expiry date on how long the rest of the world would enter into trans immersive roleplay without protest.

Alexis Blake is just another AGP male trying to present himself as reasonable while still infringing on women’s spaces. There’s a growing list of them. If he was a “good” man he wouldn’t put himself in those spaces. If he was a “good” man he’d insist on correct sex pronouns.

He claims to see misogyny in trans identifying males who threaten women who might protect women’s spaces, while failing to see his own misogyny. He thinks because he’s nice and polite and women might be nice and polite back to him, he must be doing the right thing, without any consideration of how his presence might be making women really feel. He is “standing up for what he believes in” which is to be allowed to encroach on women’s spaces as long as men are nice about it. He’s no different to the aggressive TRAs he complains about, he’s just better at marketing his misogyny and sexism under the guise of reasonableness.

Well, I'm not trans so I agree with you there, I think they stink too lol - not everyone's me though, why is it so hard to understand that trans men might want to use the men's?!

How are people going to feel bad about not affirming them without the hyperbole? Unfortunately, it worked on a lot of people who would rather go along with the dangerous ideology than appear to look bad. Luckily, the world is waking up to the nonsense and pushing back.

What?!?

Alexis Blake IS a biological male - as much as any other male is! Just because someone is good at makeup, styling and cosmetic surgery, it doesn’t make them the opposite sex!

I couldn't find a video link to this except from Twitter. But this snippet from Naomi Cunningham and Maggie Chapman is excellent at highlighting the fact that there is no agreed definition for who is transgender. And that raises the question, why not? And why have laws and policies been created or adapted when there is no workable definition outside philosophical belief that someone has a transgender identity.

https://x.com/FrankLeeBrian/status/1892299386287280189

Blah blah blah. Humans can't change sex. You can pretend if you like. But you can't make other people pretend.

I am sad so many young women and children who have had their heads so thoroughly fucked with by society that they think this bullshit is an escape. It isn't. But I can see why they might try.

If I said what I actually thought about the men involved I would probably be banned/arrested. Be sure though that I am revolted.

This crap needs to end.