Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

Will abducted and sexually assaulted, like this little girl, fit your criteria?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67144375

I googled Buck’s height and it said 5’ 8. Don’t know if that’s correct and if it is, that’s small for a man, of course, but a fair bit taller than the transmen I know, one of whom is 5ft tall (literally).

I am trying to understand the depth of feeling here as I’m struggling with the strong feelings being exhibited.

Some of us here have experience ("lived experience" if you will) of how a single trans person in an organisation can threaten truth and safeguarding for 100s of others.

Yep certainly is on here. But not convinced it is a majority held view. Well I disagree and find the intolerance sad and regret getting involved.

You forgot the rest of the sentence - “is complete and utter nonsense”.

This is why third spaces are the best option so that you as an ally can use them and give that validation that transwomen want, and those that want single sex spaces have them to use.

Sigh! Has anyone been attacked or abused by a trans woman?

Specifically anyone here, or generally? Because if you’re asking generally, you need to add “this week” if you want the answer to be no.

Undoubtedly @Theeyeballsinthesky

You really don't get it. Its not just about being attacked. Its not just about our safety, but our privacy and dignity, too. Our HARD WON safe single sex spaces. And fair sports. These are VITAL, every bit as much as those things you list, so stop your whataboutery. Women are withdrawing from participating in life due to the toilet issue. Women on here have said they restrict liquids at work (risking a UTI) so they won't have to go to the unisex toilets. Girls at school are staying home on the days they have their period.

You are NOT LISTENING and not paying attention to how SERIOUS this is becoming and how its actually affecting women and girls health and lives.

Well quite but I expect it’s the usual faux naivety

You can "struggle" with other people's beliefs all you like, but yours is the minority view @user1471523931

They're men, so I find your inability to comprehend why women don't want them in women only spaces bizarre, @user1471523931

Didn’t say I didn’t care just trying to find out how many people have had a bad experience with a transgender woman on this thread. I am trying to understand the depth of feeling here as I’m struggling with the strong feelings being exhibited. I have known transgender women and have never felt threatened if anything I think they are more likely to be attacked. I just find your attitudes bizarre.

I was in a queue for self-service tills where the till supervisor was an individual half an inch shorter than me, rather overweight, with wispy facial hair and a traditionally male name on the shop-branded badge, but visibly female in build and gait to my eyes.

Behind me in the queue were two men. We paid at different tills and left the shop at the same time. One man said to the other "Funny looking bloke". The other replied, "That wasn't a bloke, it was a fat burd with a beard!" Not terribly polite, but it shows that even some men can tell.

I didn’t say I don’t care I just think it’s absolutely impossible to police. And in reality trans men wouldn’t be welcomed into the women’s toilet.

Again, many "trans men" just look like women with short hair.

No, I have not personally been attacked by a transwoman, I also don't participate in sports, but I still care about female athletes losing to transwomen, because I care about safety and fairness.

You don't have to be personally affected to care about issues.

Buck Angel, yes. Buck has that gnarled look and is older.

Buck is tiny.

Quote from the Telegraph article linked above:
"More than 70 per cent of transgender prisoners in British jails are serving sentences for sex offences and violent crimes, government figures have revealed.
At least 181 of the 244 transgender inmates, more than 74 per cent, are in jail for crimes including rape, forcing under-age children into having sex, grievous bodily harm and robbery.
Up to 144 transgender women, men who identify as females, are housed in male prisons while five are currently imprisoned in female jails - including at least one top-security institution where murderers and terrorists are being detained.
The high levels of violent crimes among male prisoners who identify as women demonstrates why they should not be detained in female prisons, women’s rights campaigners argue."

In your opinion it’s irrational that doesn’t make your opinion fact

Yes, my opinion. Hope that's clear, wouldn't want you to construct any more straw men.

These are the UK figures, but the evidence suggests that men who identify as women exhibit male pattern violence in all the countries where men can be openly trans.

More than 70 per cent of transgender prisoners are in for sex offences or violent crimes

Sadly lots of the women on Mumsnet, like me, have been attacked or abused by transwomen. The government figures show that over 70% of the transwomen currently incarcerated have convictions for sex crimes or other extremely violent crime.

Sigh….i’ve never been raped, am I allowed not to care about rape survivors because it’s never happened to me??

redefining women to mean “adult human female and men who claim to have lady feelings” affects every single woman so away with your nonsense

This is what I don't understand, and have genuinely tried to.

The woman you refer to (Rachel Anne Dolezal) was completely vilified, 'cancelled', and ripped to shreds. There was a scathing netflix documentary about her.
She had dedicated her life to raising awareness for BLM and grassroots issued effecting black people, she was adopted by black parents as a baby.

I genuinely don't see how this is different to someone transitioning gender. I genuinely, genuinely, have tried.

I don't know if OP is still here but if you are can you (or someone) please tell me why you believe it's different?

This study shows that a staggering number of transmen become incontinent. It absolutely needs to be talked about more widely.

da Silva, L.M.B., Freire, S.N.D., Moretti, E. et al. Pelvic Floor Dysfunction in Transgender Men on Gender-affirming Hormone Therapy: A Descriptive Cross-sectional Study. Int Urogynecol J (2024). https://doi.org/10.1007/s00192-024-05779-3

Elaine Miller, a pelvic health physiotherapist and member of the Chartered Society of Physiotherapy, said... she had worked with around 20 detransitioners who sought help for pelvic floor issues - and many more from around the world had been in touch - but that there was a “stigma” around incontinence and that people were “embarrassed” and minimised the issue.

“Wetting yourself is something that just is not socially acceptable, and it stops people from exercising, it stops them from having intimate relationships, it stops them from travelling, it has work impacts,” she said.
“The impact a bit of leaking has on these young people’s lives is huge. It really needs to be properly discussed within gender clinics because I would expect that almost 100 per cent of female people that take cross-sex hormones will end up with these problems.”

Sigh! Has anyone been attacked or abused by a trans woman? So much anger on this thread. If you really want women to feel safe and keep their freedoms, way of life and dignity maybe energy should be put into protesting about the actions of Trump and his administration towards women - sacking of high profile women, abortion rights, diversity etc. we don’t want that here! He is not acting to benefit women.