Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

ThisPinkWyvern · 2025-02-22T02:04:15+00:00

Under Trump's transgender policy, which echoes the ideology of the Gender Critical Movement, trans women are men and trans men are women. This view denies and rejects as worthless and baseless the lived experience of millions of men and women in the US who identify as trans. As a result of having their lived experience of themself ignored and denied by law, millions of trans men as well as trans women are now experiencing deep psychological trauma and living in abject fear and terror in the US. Many are trying to leave the country because they are so terrified. The almost total silence of the Gender Critical Movement and it's supporters about the effect that it's ideology has had on those hundreds of thousand of women who self identify as men is deafening.It's whole argument about banning trans women from female public toilets and other ' women only spaces' is based on the argument that denying trans women the right to access these spaces is needed to protect the safety of women and girls. Given the fear, terror and trauma that hundreds of thousands of women( trans men) are now experiencing in the US, as a result of the government putting into practise Gender Critical Movement ideology, the sense of safety and well-being of hundreds of thousands of women has been devastated. This makes the infinitesimally small number of cases where women have been or ever would be assaulted by a trans woman in a women only space pale into insignificance by comparison. In short, the Gender Critical Movement is directly responsible for harming the well being of hundreds of thousands of WOMEN according to it's own ideology.The damage done by implementing it's ideology makes a sickening mockery of it's claim that it's ideology protects the safety of women and girls. When the number of men( trans women) in the US who are now living in fear and terror in the US is taken into account as well, the Gender Critical Movement and all those who support it are directly responsible for terrorising millions of people. It is impossible to claim that we are supporting women's rights and protecting the safety of women if we support the Gender Critical Movement.

Witchymadwoman · 27/04/2025 19:02

KnitFastDieWarm · 22/02/2025 02:10

There is no ‘gender critical movement’ and it doesn’t have an ‘ideology’ - there are just people who don’t believe that humans can change sex.

There are just people who correctly don’t believe that humans can change sex.

Helleofabore · 25/04/2025 13:47

Nameychangington · 25/04/2025 11:53

It's a thin excuse to post the cartoon of the female skeleton before the enlightenment, but I'm taking it:

https://x.com/Rebeccasaysno/status/1864029296681218513

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Sally Hines, Professor isn't it?, will never live that down.

peanutbuttertoasty · 25/04/2025 12:12

Thanks for that, not seen it before!

peanutbuttertoasty · 25/04/2025 12:11

Nameychangington · 25/04/2025 11:53

It's a thin excuse to post the cartoon of the female skeleton before the enlightenment, but I'm taking it:

https://x.com/Rebeccasaysno/status/1864029296681218513

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😂😂😂

Nameychangington · 25/04/2025 11:53

peanutbuttertoasty · 25/04/2025 11:09

We’re going to have to do The Enlightenment all over again aren’t we?

As a civilisation we’ve failed the year and must repeat.

It's a thin excuse to post the cartoon of the female skeleton before the enlightenment, but I'm taking it:

https://x.com/Rebeccasaysno/status/1864029296681218513

TheKeatingFive · 25/04/2025 11:10

peanutbuttertoasty · 25/04/2025 11:09

We’re going to have to do The Enlightenment all over again aren’t we?

As a civilisation we’ve failed the year and must repeat.

Absolutely. How depressing.

peanutbuttertoasty · 25/04/2025 11:09

We’re going to have to do The Enlightenment all over again aren’t we?

As a civilisation we’ve failed the year and must repeat.

Helleofabore · 25/04/2025 11:07

Ahh. Man... This thread has popped up again. It was a riot!

peanutbuttertoasty · 25/04/2025 11:07

Post-truth era. Hopefully this is the peak and a return to fact will resume shortly.

TheKeatingFive · 25/04/2025 11:01

If the same criteria is applied to a post op transgender woman her lack of a penis would mean that her biological sex would be determined to be female not male. Since the Gender Critical Movement's ideology declares that sex is binary - there is no spectrum- an individual without a penis and outer female genitals is by default designated female.

This is such absolute drivel, I am surprised the poster is not mortified to post it.

Since when did this degree of scientific illiteracy become normalised? It is shocking to see this.

peanutbuttertoasty · 25/04/2025 10:55

BreatheAndFocus · 24/04/2025 06:31

The almost universal criteria used historically to identify the biological sex of an individual at birth is the presence or lack of a penis. Presence of penis = boy, lack of penis =girl. The designation of the sex of an individual on their birth certificate reflects the categorisation of the individual's sex according to this criteria.If the biological sex of an individual cannot be changed then the results of using the same test to determine the sex of the individual at birth would remain unchanged no matter at what point the criteria was applied during an individual's life. If the same criteria is applied to a post op transgender woman her lack of a penis would mean that her biological sex would be determined to be female not male. Since the Gender Critical Movement's ideology declares that sex is binary - there is no spectrum- an individual without a penis and outer female genitals is by default designated female. A post op transgender woman is categorised as female therefore using the same criteria that categorised her as male at birth

This is such bollocks! 🤣 A female is the body that has gone down the pathway of development to produce large gametes. A female is NOT a man without a penis!!

At birth, what sex pathway a baby has gone down is usually obvious by the genitalia. If it’s not obvious (which only applies to a tiny fraction of cases) then the sex can be determined by a little extra investigation.

An infertile woman or a woman who has had a hysterectomy still went down the female pathway of development, and if a man has to have his penis removed or chooses to have it removed, then he is still a man, who went down the male pathway of development, but now simply a man without a penis.

I’d suggest anyone confused about their genitals get a chromosome test. That should clear things up quickly enough.

peanutbuttertoasty · 25/04/2025 10:52

Ladysodor · 18/04/2025 17:47

You literally can’t be a trans woman unless you’re a man, and vice versa. I’m a woman, born female. My lived experience is that I have to be aware and slightly wary of attention from men, ALL men, particularly men in dresses! Trans women do not have a true understanding of my lived experience.

Quite.

What do women and transwomen have in common?

Absolutely zilch.

Miaowzabella · 25/04/2025 10:46

Of course they are women. What else could they possibly be? To qualify as men, they would have to have a Y chromosome.

Enough4me · 25/04/2025 09:06

It's a case of going back to the sperm that entered the egg. Men had a Y sperm and became male at conception. To go back to conception and insert an X sperm creates a female.
This will never be possible because time cannot be reversed.
People can cut off/add on whatever if it makes them happy with their aesthetics.

forgotmyusername1 · 25/04/2025 08:22

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 23/04/2025 23:40

I don't think even you seriously believe this nonsense. A penis is only one of the many visible differences between a male and a female human. A woman is not a defective man. Her reproductive system is far more sophisticated than a man's. Even her external genitalia are more complex than his.

Why does "A woman is not just a man without a penis" still need to be said in 2025?

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A man without a penis isn't a woman. He is a eunuch

BreatheAndFocus · 24/04/2025 06:31

The almost universal criteria used historically to identify the biological sex of an individual at birth is the presence or lack of a penis. Presence of penis = boy, lack of penis =girl. The designation of the sex of an individual on their birth certificate reflects the categorisation of the individual's sex according to this criteria.If the biological sex of an individual cannot be changed then the results of using the same test to determine the sex of the individual at birth would remain unchanged no matter at what point the criteria was applied during an individual's life. If the same criteria is applied to a post op transgender woman her lack of a penis would mean that her biological sex would be determined to be female not male. Since the Gender Critical Movement's ideology declares that sex is binary - there is no spectrum- an individual without a penis and outer female genitals is by default designated female. A post op transgender woman is categorised as female therefore using the same criteria that categorised her as male at birth

This is such bollocks! 🤣 A female is the body that has gone down the pathway of development to produce large gametes. A female is NOT a man without a penis!!

At birth, what sex pathway a baby has gone down is usually obvious by the genitalia. If it’s not obvious (which only applies to a tiny fraction of cases) then the sex can be determined by a little extra investigation.

An infertile woman or a woman who has had a hysterectomy still went down the female pathway of development, and if a man has to have his penis removed or chooses to have it removed, then he is still a man, who went down the male pathway of development, but now simply a man without a penis.

Enough4me · 24/04/2025 00:02

It seems to need to be said on repeat. Women are biological women, not a thought in a man's head.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 23/04/2025 23:40

ThisPinkWyvern · 22/02/2025 03:08

It is having one's lived experience denied that is responsible for the psychological trauma. It is bring gaslighted about the most fundamental aspect of one's being. Everytime the wrong pronoun is used, everytime a gender designation appears on an identity document that conflicts with an individuals innate experience of themself, everytime the individual has to walk into a changing room, public toilet, or hospital ward that conflicts with their innate experience of themself, every time they are referred to by a given name that conflicts with their innate experience of their self, a transgender person is being gaslit and emotionally abused.

Gender identity refers to how an individual experiences their "I". Nobody else but the individual him/ herself has access to a person's "I'. This "I" which we all have is the most fundamental experience of who "I" am. Absolutely nobody else can tell us how we should experience our sense of "I' because it is a subject and falls outside the domain of objective inquiry.

The almost universal criteria used historically to identify the biological sex of an individual at birth is the presence or lack of a penis. Presence of penis = boy, lack of penis =girl. The designation of the sex of an individual on their birth certificate reflects the categorisation of the individual's sex according to this criteria.

If the biological sex of an individual cannot be changed then the results of using the same test to determine the sex of the individual at birth would remain unchanged no matter at what point the criteria was applied during an individual's life. If the same criteria is applied to a post op transgender woman her lack of a penis would mean that her biological sex would be determined to be female not male. Since the Gender Critical Movement's ideology declares that sex is binary - there is no spectrum- an individual without a penis and outer female genitals is by default designated female. A post op transgender woman is categorised as female therefore using the same criteria that categorised her as male at birth.

It is this simple basic logic that was responsible for the term transsexual being coined - so yes, an individual can change their biological sex and a post op transgender woman is therefore a biological woman.

I don't think even you seriously believe this nonsense. A penis is only one of the many visible differences between a male and a female human. A woman is not a defective man. Her reproductive system is far more sophisticated than a man's. Even her external genitalia are more complex than his.

Why does "A woman is not just a man without a penis" still need to be said in 2025?

IOnlycreatedaccountforthispost · 20/04/2025 10:18

AlisonDonut · 22/02/2025 04:59

Mother Nature eh, what a TERF.

😂 😂 😂

Ladysodor · 18/04/2025 17:47

You literally can’t be a trans woman unless you’re a man, and vice versa. I’m a woman, born female. My lived experience is that I have to be aware and slightly wary of attention from men, ALL men, particularly men in dresses! Trans women do not have a true understanding of my lived experience.

Lizahartiga · 18/04/2025 17:35

Until recently there were not millions of trans people what we have are kids confused by adults who want to be affirmed it needs to stop it's doing a disservice to those who genuinely suffer from gender dysphoria

Helleofabore · 07/03/2025 09:24

I think it is important to remember what are ‘rights’ and what are ‘privileges’ too.

Male people accessing any provision that is single sex for female people is not a right. It is an additional privilege extended specifically to a group of people based on their philosophical belief about themselves. Because that is all that is common between all people with transgender identities.

No male person has the right to privacy from other male people such as special toilets just for that group of male people. To have that privacy extended to them in any policy is a privilege not available to any other group of male people.

When people talk of ‘rights’ of people with transgender identities they often don’t refer to rights at all.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2025 09:04

Hiya - thanks found this which seems upto date.

Yes, it says that "gender reassignment" is a protected characteristic. So is sex.

Helleofabore · 07/03/2025 08:16

The interaction between the EA and GRC is waiting for a test case to give clarity. Many of us have been following these issues with the EA and the GRC for a long time. There has been obfuscation of the law and guidance due to some lobby group’s own interpretation of the law which shaped policies in many organisations, including government departments.

It looks like the decision for a case that will be significant is about to be handed down. There will be lots of discussion I am sure

Rosie8880 · 07/03/2025 07:58

Hiya - thanks found this which seems up
to date. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8969/#:~:text=The%20Equality%20Act%202010%20prohibits,of%20which%20is%20gender%20reassignment.