Scared of what labour will do

I don't know where this obsession that Mumsnet Labour voters always vote Labour comes from. I have voted Lib Dem in the past.

It is very odd. Almost as if posters are trying to convince themselves that current Labour voters on MN are are all fluffy headed idiots who automatically put an X in the Labour box. Perhaps it makes them feel superior to think this.

Starmer is definitely not more savvy on being the middle ground than Blair.

The latter didn't attack private schools, farmers, the creative sector, 'the rich' including nom doms, pensioners

He was mostly spending from credit and risk exposure

Starmer has kept some policies eg two child benefit, bonuses for bankers, and leant into Reform type stuff with deportation videos, removing citizenship and Gaza ruling

I get Labour means more to some than always voting for the same does to me. I don't have paid state reliance though it's more a concern on damaging the private sector. Doing that to the private sector damages the public one after a while anyway.

Exactly. If I had to compare Starmer with any former MP of my lifetime it would be Major. They have a huge amount in common. He’s presiding over the most right wing Labour government I’ve ever seen, it’s too far right for my taste but then Corbyn was too far left. I’m just Goldilocks, aren’t I? 😂

No answers? Usually so vocal.

Given Starmer is the most right leaning Labour leader there has been in recent times, I would love to know under which Labour leader any current Tory supporter would have voted Labour. Foot? Kinnock? Blair? Milliband? Surely not Corbyn 🤣

To give an example. Pre GE there were a few policies that I thought off from Labour

Eg nom dom policy. Usual backlash from Labour supporters. Then Reeves does change it.

Mostly it's just economics but people get outraged and hooked on some idea they know a voting history.

That's a you issue then @blossomtoes

You've built this up in your head unrelated to my voting history.

I'd rather engage with posters who don't do this but I tend to get @ a lot by those who do.

We know people switch. You’ve had tactical voting explained enough times. I just find it quite difficult to believe one of the most vehement critics of the government on MN ever voted for that party. Like I said, it stretches credulity.

To be honest, if the worst example of wrongdoing you can come up with is Starmer's son staying in the home of a family friend over his GCSEs and staying there (because Covent Garden) for a few weeks afterwards (all declared, BTW!) then either Starmer's pretty clean or you're not digging deep enough!

Yes. They are always in their own Group Think. 🤷‍♀️

Given the landslides at some GEs it wouldn't even be that uncommon.

Why are you baffled?

Starmer himself came up with this dubious justification. (Reporters have said there was no scrum or loud noise outside his house anyway. And the press leaves children alone.)

But assuming the explanation is true (ignoring the weeks of use after the exams ended), I’m just pointing out that your implication that Starmer didn’t game anything for his children - because he’d lived in the house beforehand - isn’t strictly true.

I think it was you that said “rich man has rich friends shocker”. That’s fair. But it does rather undermine the ‘Starmer has done nothing out of the ordinary about his children’s education’ narrative.

I very, very much doubt that a Tory in Starmer’s position about the penthouse would have been given a pass by Labour supporters.

Ultimately what I detest most of all is Labour’s hypocrisy. Many of these smaller issues just pile up in that respect. The WFA cut - perfectly reasonable in itself - is a good example: why attack the Tories about it in November 2023 and then bring it in in July 2024? There’s a thread running about WASPI women which is another good example. Why suggest they’d pay out and then slam the door when in government? Why criticise the Tories savagely for private plane use and waste and then do the same?

It’s really all about trust and honesty. The country chucked out the Tories in large part because they were untrustworthy. The same will happen to Labour. They’re no better.

Yes. They are always in their own Group Think. 🤷‍♀️

@Kittygolightlyy made me laugh all the outraged responses coming back are funny too

I found it amusing but yeh if anyone's going to take the prize it's those who are so Labour they cannot even comprehend people vote switch.

How do people miss that? Is it by only talking to the staunchest Labour voters

There's a whole load of voters who change their minds each GE

This is hilarious. You are always banging on about tribalism 🤣🤣🤣

@blossomtoes @Alexandra2001

Would you believe me if I said I’ve only ever voted Labour?

I wonder. Are you incredulous?

I bet.

It's amazing how tunnel visioned people are that they cannot get some in the electorate vote differently in different GEs

I get some of you are nailed to the wall Labour types.

I've voted for both Labour and Conservatives.

Stretching credulity here! 😂

Sure it did. I've voted for both Labour and Conservatives.

I'm fine with that. Others seem more stuck on the same every time.

I don't think the electorate are all like that though.

So are you. You quite often talk about political tribalism, in fact as you’ve just demonstrated it’s one of your favourite subjects.

Thats rich coming from you @EasternStandard & had me in stitches...

Tribalism? Tribalists? Do me a favour. We’re talking about politics not elephants or long ‘lost’ tribes in the Amazon.

@Kittygolightlyy this made me laugh. Although loyal Labour supporters are very committed.

If you think being the supporter of a party automatically translates into a vote, why do you object to being assumed to being a Tory voter? There were plenty of Labour supporters who voted for whichever candidate was most likely to defeat the Tory in their constituency last July. Plenty lent the LibDems their vote. Political tribalism is a well known term, by the way.

Well, at least 2 posters have openly said they support the Tories either on here or other threads.... its not that heard to remember names.... & i doubt very much you're a Corbyn supporter, given your tone toward Labour?

It would be a reach for anyone one in the "centre/centre right" not to offer at least qualified support for increased defence spending... though their silence on why their party of choice didn't do this over the course of the last 14 years is deafening!

Tribalism? Tribalists? Do me a favour. We’re talking about politics not elephants or long ‘lost’ tribes in the Amazon.

Ps. If one is a Labour ‘supporter’ doesn’t it follow that one ‘votes Labour’? It’d be peculiar to be a Labour supporter who votes Tory.

@Kittygolightlyy "You still don’t get it. Never mind"

No I don't. Because you won't say what you mean. Which is deeply tedious. Game plying is so very boring.