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Wantachangefor2024 · 22/02/2025 01:58

Is anyone else terrified of what labour will enforce. The tax on farmers. Will they means test pip? Will they tax state pension more? What else will they do and where will it all end. They ruthlessly without no care took away the winter fuel allowance. Means testing and taxing state pension would massively impact my family

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Moonlightstars · 22/02/2025 08:13

IWantToGetOffHelp · 22/02/2025 02:33

Well this is what everyone voted for! Everyone cheered when my family was affected by the 20% VAT. How I’ve laughed now all the PIP and pension people are quaking in their boots! It’s not nice is it?!

What a horrible attitude. You are adding to the stereotype of private school people being elitist and living a bubble.

CornishIrish · 22/02/2025 08:13

IWantToGetOffHelp · 22/02/2025 02:33

Well this is what everyone voted for! Everyone cheered when my family was affected by the 20% VAT. How I’ve laughed now all the PIP and pension people are quaking in their boots! It’s not nice is it?!

No one cheered at the private schools losing charitable status but let’s be clear, they are not charities.

I have a privately educated child with SEN needs. I feel privileged to be able to afford the fees but I also hope this government will offer a proper state alternative so it isn’t needed.

dottiehens · 22/02/2025 08:13

4C0rners · 22/02/2025 08:08

How are you?

Good luck with your new life. The US is looking great at the moment.

I for one am counting my blessings that we live in a country that cares about society as a wiole
and not just the priviledged.

Good for you. May be have a reality check to see if it is sustainable? The US much better than here but the world is rounded and not so far from here you you can get a very good quality of life.
Just hold onto your little council flat, NHS or top up credits while you can.

ploppydoppy · 22/02/2025 08:12

What I can’t afford is to pay for 60 percent of the population.

I don't know what this means.

Addeline · 22/02/2025 08:11

I don’t think they have even hit near the carnage the Tories created. Standards of living have dropped massively for average families in the last 14 years. Dentistry is unaffordable and inaccessible. Waiting lists st hospitals were running in years. Two full time salaries no longer covers basic household bills for many. Food banks didn’t use to exist. One in three dc live in poverty. It’s a disgrace.

ploppydoppy · 22/02/2025 08:11

@indigovapour I agree with you that they didn't want to break their election promise so didn't have much headroom. But I thought they were hoping NI increases would raise more. I don't agree an increase in income tax would have resulted in more growth though. Real growth has been elusive for some time.

CornishIrish · 22/02/2025 08:10

Farming is a business. Businesses are subject to taxes. You can mitigate against taxes and plan for them.

Pensions are income so if you have a state pension plus other sources of income then you are taxed above the threshold only. My MIL had two private pensions and the income of flat on top of a state pension and her tax bill was next to nothing. She has a nice home, a gym membership and more than one holiday a year.

That’s a damn sight more than young working people. So I don’t feel sad that she lost the fuel allowance. Fuel providers were able to keep prices high and big payouts to shareholders, this was propped up by taxpayers money.

Raising the pension and supporting genuine need is fair.

MammaTo · 22/02/2025 08:09

Nope I’m not worried.

MoodySky · 22/02/2025 08:09

But why shouldn't farmers pay inheritance tax? Everyone else has to. And it only affects farms worth over a large amount so most farmers won't pay it.

It's been introduced to stop the rich buying up land (and not farming it) as a tax dodge.

4C0rners · 22/02/2025 08:08

dottiehens · 22/02/2025 08:05

What I can’t afford is to pay for 60 percent of the population.

How are you?

Good luck with your new life. The US is looking great at the moment.

I for one am counting my blessings that we live in a country that cares about society as a wiole
and not just the priviledged.

ploppydoppy · 22/02/2025 08:06

Yes must be stressful but then you’re simply hoping the other 94% of the population

I don't even know what this means & Im not interested in a debate on private school VAT, it's irrelevant to the majority.

dottiehens · 22/02/2025 08:05

ploppydoppy · 22/02/2025 08:03

@dottiehens I don't see an issue with VAT private school but I understand it's stressful if you can no longer afford it.

What I can’t afford is to pay for 60 percent of the population.

indigovapour · 22/02/2025 08:04

@ploppydoppy of course it wasn't their intention but it was the effect their measures had and it was entirely predictable.

I won't bother engaging with your juvenile "yeah, you do it then" but in a way this is my point - we'd actually be better off if they'd done nothing because their changes are actively bad ones.

I'll give you one example though - I'd have put a penny on the basic rate of income tax rather than increasing the NI tax on jobs. Everyone would have then paid a bit (including pensioners importantly) and it wouldn't have caused anyone to have to pay with their entire job as the NI changes unfortunately will.

This was clearly the better answer and the only reason they didn't do it was because of their daft election promise (which in reality they broke anyway). Country before party they said - bullshit.

picturethispatsy · 22/02/2025 08:04

100PercentFaithful · 22/02/2025 07:53

Seriously OP. Do you not remember what the Tories did? They have decimated the NHS, education, social care, local services.
Of course some people only care about themselves but Labour at least think about the vulnerable in society.

Do they? Always? I would argue that refusing to reverse the two child benefit cap means they don’t think about the most vulnerable in our society. Children living in poverty. And taking away the winter fuel allowance for pensioners. Surely those people are the most vulnerable 😞

4C0rners · 22/02/2025 08:04

ploppydoppy · 22/02/2025 08:03

@dottiehens I don't see an issue with VAT private school but I understand it's stressful if you can no longer afford it.

Yes must be stressful but then you’re simply hoping the other 94% of the population. 🤷‍♀️

4C0rners · 22/02/2025 08:03

dottiehens · 22/02/2025 08:02

Pedantic fool who add nothing here.

Oh you mean I’m disagreeing and asking for clarification? Don’t think I’m alone in wondering what being bled means.

ploppydoppy · 22/02/2025 08:03

@dottiehens I don't see an issue with VAT private school but I understand it's stressful if you can no longer afford it.

CurlewKate · 22/02/2025 08:03

@Katypp " When will Labour supporters own the mistakes their party has made instead of blaming to Tories for everything that's going wrong?"
I'm happy to. The problem is I suspect that what you think of as mistakes I probably won't. But try me.

Incidentally-when will Tory supporters own the screw ups they've made over the past 14 years rather than blaming Labour-who have only been in power for 8 months?

dottiehens · 22/02/2025 08:02

4C0rners · 22/02/2025 07:57

Do enlighten us with what being bled actually means.

Pedantic fool who add nothing here.

ploppydoppy · 22/02/2025 08:01

Why do posters always do this? What has the last 14 years got to do with how the OP feels right now?

@Katypp the past matters. Austerity & QE kicked the can down the road but we have now run out of road which is the problem. I'm
not saying Labour are doing everything right but you can't compare months to years. People overlook immigration figures under Tories, overlook the increased taxes which confuses me.

4C0rners · 22/02/2025 07:59

Riverswims · 22/02/2025 07:55

£2 bus fares helped everyone tho and their inheritance rules were fairer, Labour are running farming thereby eating into the ground 🤦🏽‍♀️

Don’t think the massive Tory Brexit screw up helped farming.

dottiehens · 22/02/2025 07:59

ploppydoppy · 22/02/2025 07:57

They also brought private schools VAT two terms forward than they promised just to raise inflation and put a number of children and their families in distress by forcing some to leave school mid year.

Yes, that was literally their only motivation 🙄

Well they have not clue. Now people who paid for the private schools VAT would also pay more for the consequences of inflation. As well as the rest of the population.

TheGoogleMum · 22/02/2025 07:58

There's a lot of ways farmers can get around the inheritance tax, it mainly exists to stop wealthy people buying up land as a tax dodge. No I'm not worried I still think the Tories were much much worse.

4C0rners · 22/02/2025 07:57

dottiehens · 22/02/2025 07:55

So still can’t link this with Russian propaganda.
I am glad you are doing well even when families like us have been bled to the point of leaving next year.

Do enlighten us with what being bled actually means.

ploppydoppy · 22/02/2025 07:57

They also brought private schools VAT two terms forward than they promised just to raise inflation and put a number of children and their families in distress by forcing some to leave school mid year.

Yes, that was literally their only motivation 🙄

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