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Scared of what labour will do

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Wantachangefor2024 · 22/02/2025 01:58

Is anyone else terrified of what labour will enforce. The tax on farmers. Will they means test pip? Will they tax state pension more? What else will they do and where will it all end. They ruthlessly without no care took away the winter fuel allowance. Means testing and taxing state pension would massively impact my family

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Mespher · 22/02/2025 08:46

Lifestooshort71 · 22/02/2025 08:43

Wow, this thread has brought out a lot of bitterness - perhaps it's just a thread too many (must have been dozens of them, yawn 🥱). I learnt a long time ago, no point worrying about stuff you can't alter or might never happen and this comes under that umbrella. Chill.

That's why I'm going on a spending spree, they can't grab what I don't have.

Tiredalwaystired · 22/02/2025 08:46

Wantachangefor2024 · 22/02/2025 02:39

Rachel Reeves will claim she got an A* in Maths, in reality most likely a D. She’ll be claiming she was an astronaut for nasa next

I was happy to listen to you before you spouted playground shite like this.

Alexandra2001 · 22/02/2025 08:45

Mespher · 22/02/2025 08:40

Cash ISAs are mainly what pensioners have, people are not going to want to invest for years when they are old and risk losing their money. So no surprise there if they go.

There is £723 billion invested in ISA's, with almost zero benefit to the govt or the average tax payer.

A limit on the amount that can be held in either cash or shares would be fairer and raise a lot of money

Lifestooshort71 · 22/02/2025 08:43

Wow, this thread has brought out a lot of bitterness - perhaps it's just a thread too many (must have been dozens of them, yawn 🥱). I learnt a long time ago, no point worrying about stuff you can't alter or might never happen and this comes under that umbrella. Chill.

Llttledrummergirl · 22/02/2025 08:43

Oh good another terrified of Labour post. These really are circular. Is Trump the bees knees today?

I would rather by far have our current government than say, Farage with his nose up Trumps and therefore Putins arse. Imagine if Truss was PM right now, how many Nazi salutes would we have seen from the house?

Get a grip- currently there are much ore terrifying things happening than a Labour government.

ploppydoppy · 22/02/2025 08:42

Happy to pay taxes but it has now become like financial abuse in this country. I rather live in a society where you can prosper and create wealth and not working to mainly pay for the benefits of others. Whether is Labour or Tories both have contributed to this mess. I do not see any future here.

I agree there is too much weight of income taxes and we need to rebalance. Much of the west are facing similar demographic issues in terms of a shrinking tax base. @dottiehens where do you think is better?

Mespher · 22/02/2025 08:40

ViciousCurrentBun · 22/02/2025 08:35

DH and I both pay tax on our pensions, we cannot claim our state pension for another decade.

It’s been mooted that it’s Cash ISA products and not stocks and shares ISA products.

Cash ISAs are mainly what pensioners have, people are not going to want to invest for years when they are old and risk losing their money. So no surprise there if they go.

Alexandra2001 · 22/02/2025 08:39

ViciousCurrentBun · 22/02/2025 08:35

DH and I both pay tax on our pensions, we cannot claim our state pension for another decade.

It’s been mooted that it’s Cash ISA products and not stocks and shares ISA products.

About time too, its ridiculous that ISAs, originally set up to help ordinary people save, are now used to avoid tax for v wealthy people.

ISA's Peps and Tessa's originally were not cash only, i think 50% had to be in stocks & that was at a time when these things were invested in the UK..

Now we give tax advantages to invest in other countries...madness.

indigovapour · 22/02/2025 08:36

ploppydoppy · 22/02/2025 08:11

@indigovapour I agree with you that they didn't want to break their election promise so didn't have much headroom. But I thought they were hoping NI increases would raise more. I don't agree an increase in income tax would have resulted in more growth though. Real growth has been elusive for some time.

Just read your own post back to yourself - for the NI increase to have raised more it would have to have taken more money away from businesses - you know, the money they use to pay employees and invest in developing the business.

If they'd gone for income tax then people running businesses (like me) would have moaned for a bit but wouldn't have had to revisit budgets and longer term plans to cut costs and investment spend to make everything balance again. We have managed to do it without redundancies but we have cut future hiring plans and deferred investment in the modernisation of some of our systems. All anti-growth and again, all entirely predictable.

(I'm posting assuming you're not one of the "grr, business bad" people - no need to reply if you are)

ViciousCurrentBun · 22/02/2025 08:35

DH and I both pay tax on our pensions, we cannot claim our state pension for another decade.

It’s been mooted that it’s Cash ISA products and not stocks and shares ISA products.

4C0rners · 22/02/2025 08:34

dottiehens · 22/02/2025 08:33

Yes, It is obvious you are all of those things.
Happy to pay taxes but it has now become like financial abuse in this country. I rather live in a society where you can prosper and create wealth and not working to mainly pay for the benefits of others. Whether is Labour or Tories both have contributed to this mess. I do not see any future here.

Edited

Off you trot then.

dottiehens · 22/02/2025 08:33

4C0rners · 22/02/2025 08:19

Home owner, higher tax payer NHS loving voter here. A Labour government is the best chance the NHS has of surviving.

And re the US I think it’s a great country however I don’t think lying awake worrying about health bankrupcy, your child being shot at school and billionaire dictators being able to dismantle your constitution, security and society at the flick of a pen is a great quality of life.

We have American family and trust me life does not feel great for the vast majority of Americans at the moment.

Yes, It is obvious you are all of those things.
Happy to pay taxes but it has now become like financial abuse in this country. I rather live in a society where you can prosper and create wealth and not working to mainly pay for the benefits of others. Whether is Labour or Tories both have contributed to this mess. I do not see any future here.

EasternStandard · 22/02/2025 08:28

spuddy4 · 22/02/2025 07:56

Here for the Tory/Russian bot bingo. Didn't take long for a full house.

Yep on every thread

Op not much you can do but wait and see. There may be cuts

Alexandra2001 · 22/02/2025 08:25

dottiehens · 22/02/2025 07:55

So still can’t link this with Russian propaganda.
I am glad you are doing well even when families like us have been bled to the point of leaving next year.

Wrong poster, i never made any link to Russian propaganda at all.... people are able to be anti Labour without being a Russian troll.

PS didn't need to pass on the VAT charges, they could have increased class sizes...many passed on 20% despite now being allowed to claim back VAT.... so they ve made money from this measure....

These schools have also been increasing fees why beyond the rate of inflation for at least 20 years.

The effects on inflation of this measure is tiny... far greater are energy costs but inflation of 3% is nothing like the 11% Truss and the Tories gave us...

After all, if you blame the increases in inflation now on Labour, then its fair to blame the Tories for increases under their watch.

I hope you enjoy the USA or wherever you re going.

EasternStandard · 22/02/2025 08:24

HardenYourHeart · 22/02/2025 07:30

Russian propaganda

Usual bot accusation

Thanks

ploppydoppy · 22/02/2025 08:24

Just hold onto your little council flat, NHS or top up credits while you can.

Gosh, you sound so bitter.

BIossomtoes · 22/02/2025 08:24

4C0rners · 22/02/2025 08:03

Oh you mean I’m disagreeing and asking for clarification? Don’t think I’m alone in wondering what being bled means.

You’re not. I’d like to know too.

IVFmumoftwo · 22/02/2025 08:20

IVFmumoftwo · 22/02/2025 08:19

So how come so many Americans are wanting to leave their country? A country where the president wants to take away all benefits.

Sorry quoted you by mistake.

4C0rners · 22/02/2025 08:19

dottiehens · 22/02/2025 08:13

Good for you. May be have a reality check to see if it is sustainable? The US much better than here but the world is rounded and not so far from here you you can get a very good quality of life.
Just hold onto your little council flat, NHS or top up credits while you can.

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Home owner, higher tax payer NHS loving voter here. A Labour government is the best chance the NHS has of surviving.

And re the US I think it’s a great country however I don’t think lying awake worrying about health bankrupcy, your child being shot at school and billionaire dictators being able to dismantle your constitution, security and society at the flick of a pen is a great quality of life.

We have American family and trust me life does not feel great for the vast majority of Americans at the moment.

IVFmumoftwo · 22/02/2025 08:19

dottiehens · 22/02/2025 08:13

Good for you. May be have a reality check to see if it is sustainable? The US much better than here but the world is rounded and not so far from here you you can get a very good quality of life.
Just hold onto your little council flat, NHS or top up credits while you can.

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So how come so many Americans are wanting to leave their country? A country where the president wants to take away all benefits.

coffeeabdteav · 22/02/2025 08:18

Also it was the tories that created the green paper for vouchers for pip.

At the moment personally I am better off under labour than the torys who decimated public services. This may change, time will tell.

Mummyoflabradors · 22/02/2025 08:16

@Neurodiversitydoctor Pensioners do not have a higher personal allowance.

Porkyporkchop · 22/02/2025 08:16

I think it’s worrying times and the whole world is facing economic struggles. I am worried, our economy is weak and our route out which was economic growth has been hampered sadly by the rises in national insurance. If business have cut staff, not recruited more, and passed the hikes to consumers through higher prices, people will stop buying and you start getting in a cycle. It doesn’t look good

coffeeabdteav · 22/02/2025 08:16

Barleysugar86 · 22/02/2025 03:27

I was more scared by what the Conservatives were doing to our public services, nhs, schools and libraries. My main fear with Labour is whether they can reverse the rot honestly, or if it's too late.

This exactly.
While I think WFA should have a higher threshold. The penision generation have 25 percent with homes worth over a million. They will have more opportunities than the youth ever will. Unless they are lucky enough to inherit.
Farmers should pay the same IHT as everyone else and they have 10 years.

timetodecide2345 · 22/02/2025 08:14

You are getting sucked into right wing social media. You will be thinking it's ok to nazi salute next!

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