Scared of what labour will do

Its probably not an unpopular opinion, nationwide, on here yes.

But the reality would be going back to a time when the elderly died in their homes in their 1000s and or we see the elderly begging on the streets OR we reintroduce the poor house, probably better, the feckless can die out of sight then.

@EasternStandard no, to that type of poster there will always be rich people (because "rich" simply means anyone with more than them) and they will always be paying too little tax.

Why would it do that? Sensible, balanced rent ceilings could easily be set so that Landlords can still make a profit without ripping people off.

Well, if you want to break the cycle of poverty and low achievement, then yes, that is desirable.

The alternative is these kids live on benefits and or low wages & so on....

Then they need to commute. Or businesses need to start moving out if they can't get staff. The rest of us shouldn't be funding inflated rentals. Housing benefit has fuelled rent rises.

But commuting can be extortionate. How can you have no hospitals, schools, shops etc in cities?
There should be a lot more social housing

How would pushing landlords out of the market and reducing the amount of houses to rent help anything?

The answer is rent controls, not punishing the less well off. Stop the greedy private landlords profiteering at the expense of the tax payer. That would be good for everyone including people not on benefits but who are also being ripped off.

It's not that simple though. I agree that teachers, nurses, train drivers etc should commute because, despite the relentless rhetoric to the contrary, they are well paid.
What about the overnight cleaners, nmw Hotel workers, shop workers etc?

Then they need to commute. Or businesses need to start moving out if they can't get staff. The rest of us shouldn't be funding inflated rentals. Housing benefit has fuelled rent rises.

😂 no, not new here. I just can’t believe that people somehow believe that non-doms were getting subsidised by the state for living here.

Just the VAT on every restaurant bill, beauty/hair appointment, clothes, handbags, cars, holidays etc adds up to an absolute fortune.

Absolutely. All rich people are evil Tories. Therefore we don't need them.

Pretty much Labour's campaigning. Some slow learning there with the non dom change post GE. They're still working on the rest of the evils funding services.

By that logic, families currently living in a 1960s tower block in the NW of England should be given the opportunity to move to a better, higher rent area to improve their children's prospects.
All paid for by the taxpayer of course.

Absolutely. All rich people are evil Tories. Therefore we don't need them.

Are you sure about that? I think we may have heard more about it!
I think you are talking about the VAT refund scheme for tourists which is an entirely different thing.

@indigovapour It's important they all leave and we have no evil rich people, it will really help us to fund services

@Fluffypuppy1 I'm not sure if you're new here, but people really aren't interested in facts surrounding the non-dom discussion. You're just supposed to complain about evil rich people paying zero tax.

Claiming back VAT on purchases in the UK was discontinued in Jan 2021.

Maybe we should go back there. Unpopular opinion, I know.
The problem is, as long as people know they will effectively be bailed our regardless, there's no incentive to take personal responsibility.
To reiterate, I am not talking about vulnerable people who did not have choices around workplace pensions. I am talking about those who actively chose not to pay in.

I’m far less worried than when, Boris and Co were in power.

I honestly do worry. Labour are truly awful. They have no idea how to run a successful company. Not one of them has any experience at all. Reeves is out of her depth. Listening to Phillipson on BBC. Does she want to trash the education system? She clearly has a chip on her shoulder.

If nom doms weren't attractive to other countries and us Reeves wouldn't have belatedly realised that's the case.

Hence altering the policy. She was a bit slow on the uptake but changed it in the end.

They'll be avoiding VAT/Claiming back as much as they can....

There really isn't.... average rents outside of London are around £1400 per month... in Plymouth, one of the UKs poorer cities, the average 3 bed rent is £1250 pm.

Why should families be up rooted from social and family connections to live in a run down 1960s tower block in the NW of England.... all you re doing is ensure the kids life prospects will be even worse than they are already.

Non-doms don’t pay much in income tax, but spend an absolute fortune whilst in the country so pay way more in VAT.

I totally get what you mean, we've provided for ourselves, i worked in an industry with good wages and pension provision and paid taxes to support people who either couldn't or wouldn't make better provision for their retirement.

I didn't mind these taxes..... my mum, after her divorce, had 3 kids to provide for, no childcare, no money, father did a runner overseas.... and relied on social security, other tax payers support us all.... she went back to work when my sister was 13, so a child looked after children....not possible now.

The problem is "How do we provide for people who refused to make provision for their old age?"

If we say they get nothing or less than they do now, then of course they will suffer.... its back to the deserving and undeserving poor!