Scared of what labour will do

It’s not about reasonable costs but shitty landlords not providing value for money, warm, mold free, properly kept up property.

Any business will pass on an increase in costs to their consumers, why would it be different for landlords?

I disagree. Shit landlords should be weeded out ( once a shit landlord always a shit landlord)and tolerating shit accommodation because of LL not wanting to keep up to standards shouldn’t be facilitated. I wonder what they do across Europe where long term better quality rentals is more prevalent.

Well, as i ve pointed out, thats what is happening, they sell up and leave the sector.... how is that protecting renters?

In any business, extra costs are at least in part, passed on to the consumer, in this case the renter, if the business cannot make a profit, it goes bust, assets sold.....

If you want more renter protection, then we need an alternative that the private renter who has a shit LL can fall back on, atm that doesn't exist.... get that in place ie Council Housing, then introduce strong renter rights.

Sorry but the mortgage of shit landlords is not the responsibility of renters. If you can’t be a good LL then you shouldn’t be one. End of. It’s this sense of entitlement that needs to stop with more measures put in place to protect renters.

@TheWildRobot not sure why you replied to my post with that. I already said lower & middle earners pay less tax than in other countries.

I know a few BTL landlords, all are self employed trades people who have bought up 1 or 2 run down properties, done them up, rent them out, they have had to increase rents to cover rising mortgage costs and or to get a return that is equal too than what they can get from a savings account.

Yes there are shoddy landlords, just as there are bad tenants but the solution is not to force these LLs to sell, leaving their tenants homeless or have to pay even higher rents.

My village FB page has a constant stream of people asking if anyone knows of a 2/3 bed house, as they are being evicted....

And yes there should be protection for renters like.your friend. Why should tax payers be funding shitty landlords and crappy housing like that?

The current system is unsustainable, it will take creativity and the young alongside young families ( renters and first time buyers) should be the priority NOT greedy landlords as per under the Tories.

Ok so where does the money come from for this?

There are still houses for sale in Plymouth around 200k, people simply cannot afford them... shared ownership or not.

Poor quality housing? the trouble is, as someone i know found out, she complained about thread bare carpets, LL refused to replace, a couple months later, she is served a Sect 21 notice... he now wants to sell....

The new renters bill wont protect tenants who complain, the LL is still able to evict for a variety of reasons, removing their licence just means another eviction.

In the short term, we don't have the money to buy up enough private properties or build more council houses, which requires the developer to be paid to build them.... and HA's funded to be able to purchase from the developer....

No not a silly post all. More houses for sale reduces prices and enable more to enter home ownership, people moving out of rental frees up stock for those who will never be able to get a mortgage. It also will also mske LL more competitive to attract renters and this better quality rental property. Lower prices will be less cost for councils if they were to take more property under council control. It will also make the state burden as regards housing in old age better if more are living in property with a paid off mortgage.

We also need to really start clamping down on greedy LLs.I don’t think there should be a license system. Any untreated damp, mold, broken or non cost effective heating or over inflated prices then you lose your license.

Explain how losing thousands of houses without building any more would ease housing pressues exactly.
Specifically the moving out and leaving more spare bit.
Such a silly post

With a scheme to buy up some properties and keep under local authority control or shared ownership that could be rectified.

LLs leaving the sector in Plymouth, just led to a huge shortage of rental properties, a 18% increase in rents, evictions and more people in temp accommodation.

A house priced at around £200k in Plymouth is totally unaffordable to someone, even a couple, on a low income.

True

I think we'll have to deal with the defence spending and Labour might have to go with cuts. Borrowing is too high already.

'No taxes on working people' pledge re taxes and they can see what hitting businesses / non doms does

There's pitch rolling already on welfare. We'll see if they do it. They have more rope than the opposition would. Some impacted voters will stick with them more despite cuts.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg9y544wx3o.amp

LL leaving would be a great thing! The sooner the better. More affordable housing on the market, more people able to move out of rental leaving more spare and greedy LL unable to have everybody over a barrel with extortionate housing prices with down right unacceptable living conditions.

I like what they’re doing in Wales.

The problem is the number of these people. As others have pointed out higher earners in the UK pay some of the highest taxes for their earnings in the entire world, more than in most European countries.

The difference in the UK is that lower and middle earners pay far, far less than in comparable European countries. Due to the sheer numbers it is mathematically impossible to fund European-standard public services while this remains the case, hence our current predicament.

Eventually the UK population will have to accept this mathematical fact. The choices are either: 1) lower and middle income earners pay significantly higher rates of tax (increases of 7-10%); or 2) public services will have to be scaled back so that many things - healthcare and pensions in particular - are not state funded.

There are no other viable options.

I agree with you both Katy and Alexandra re: social housing, but oh my god the NIMBYism that occurs when proposals to build new properties are made... There is currently a proposal to build quite a number of new council houses near to where I live. The moaning about it is just unbelievable.

I agree with all this.
As right wing as I am (although not in everything), one of the biggest mistakes a Government made was when Thatcher sold off council houses.
There's been plenty of opportunity - both Labour and Conservative- to reverse it since then though.

So what is the solution? Continue as we are and allowing more people to opt out because they know they will be helped anyway?
That's not going to bring the welfare bill down.

As left wing as i am, i'm not a fan of rent controls, i believe that whats needed is far far more council housing, with not for profit rents, as we used to have.

This would drive down rents in the private sector, as people would have a real alternative.

One way to achieve this is for councils, as Plymouth CC is doing, buying up private rented homes.... the Govt needs to drop their EPC C changes too, these costs are going to either make LLs leave the sector and/or pass costs on to the tenant.
A compromise would be to have the min EPC rating as a D, the costs to go from a E (current minimum) to a C is usually quite small but to get to a C for many properties is very expensive, for a relatively small gain.

A proven rent record should also be proof enough to get a mortgage too.

@Pandora Because every time the BTL market has been tinkered with, it results in many LLs leaving the market.
Rent controls would be a big one, so to assume it would not result in a lot of LLs leaving is naive on the extreme, especially with volatile mortgage rates.
There a lot of assumption about 'greedy landlords' on MN, when it's crystal clear that posters don't have the first idea about the costs involved.

@Fluffypuppy1 and of course they also pay tax on all their uk income just as the rest of us do. It's almost like these posters are financially illiterate but don't want to let that get in their way, isn't it?

It's funny until you remember that these people get to vote.

Beauticians and hairdressers do not earn enough for vat!