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MellowTiger · 22/02/2025 00:00

I didn’t really know how to title this post. My DH & I volunteer for the same charity. He became involved with volunteer (female) -unknown to me this has been off and on for 6 years. It’s mainly s/text and phone/video call but it’s been very explicit & talk of moving in together. I found out & when challenged he ended it.
OW then started to be awkward with me in online meetings etc (we rarely meet F2F). It got to the point where other people commented on it. We were due to meet F2F as a group so I messaged OW saying requesting she didn’t attend (I have to go she doesn’t). I also said that if she continued being the way she was I would take it further in the organisation and that she couldn’t deny the relationship because I have photos of their conversations.
She put in a complaint saying I had threatened her, which has now been upheld and I now have to be interviewed to be sanctioned.
I feel this is really unfair AIBU? This is a personal matter, I was polite and although I see there was 100 ways to word it, I don’t think saying I’ll take it further (meaning a formal complaint) is really a threat. We ended up cancelling the F2F cos I said I wouldn’t go and without me it can’t take place.
Regardless of the sanction outcome I want to stop volunteering, but this could lead to the charity closure, so my DH says I should carry on. I don’t know what to do.

OP posts:
PandaTime · 22/02/2025 17:39

You can put in a complaint about her bullying you seperately, but it is not for this panel to address.

PandaTime · 22/02/2025 17:37

MellowTiger · 22/02/2025 17:01

Thank you - I love this wording and I will be using it as a starter for my personal statement.

No, you are facing this panel because of your actions, not the OW's. You had the same opportunity to address her bullying as she did (by taking it to the seniors) but instead you decided to tackle it this way which was wrong. You need to show that you acknowledge that and take accountability for it.

MellowTiger · 22/02/2025 17:01

Crackl3andpop · 22/02/2025 03:06

Hi OP!

it’s a threat because you said “if you don’t do XXX I will do X”. While I think what you probably meant to say was “this is a deeply personal and embarrassing situation for us both, given the hostility I feel from you in virtual meetings I would like to request that you do not attend face to face as I do not feel safe to be around your persons. I had been happy to deal with this behind closed doors but if you continue to publicly air your grievances I feel I will be left with no choice but to escalate via internal policies”.

i would also very much appeal to this panel and explain tempers are running high due to it being such a sensitive situation and instead of phrasing it correctly you perhaps let it get the better of you, that you’d like to bring to their attention the evidence of her bullying you and that there are witnesses of this.

but personally? I’d tell them all to shove it. If the charity would cease to function without you then they should be supporting you not sanctioning you in my opinion.

and the OW and your delightful husband would be being told to go fuck themselves as far away from me as possible 🤭

Thank you - I love this wording and I will be using it as a starter for my personal statement.

OP posts:
HellsBells67 · 22/02/2025 16:30

YABU for staying with an arsewipe who cheated for six years. HTH

Mirabai · 22/02/2025 16:16

Negroany · 22/02/2025 16:06

Exactly, so it can't be "tiny", which is what I was referring to in the previous post.

That’s as tiny as any charity can be - like I said it’s mandatory to have 3 trustees minimum.

Negroany · 22/02/2025 16:06

Mirabai · 22/02/2025 15:56

Well the “investigation” was carried out by one person and the 3 person panel is probably the other trustees. Any small charity needs at least 3 trustees.

Exactly, so it can't be "tiny", which is what I was referring to in the previous post.

Oblomov25 · 22/02/2025 16:01

However you look at this, it's sad and embarrassing, whichever charity this is, as a pp suggested assuming religious? As a trustee, people probably know ow had been having an affair with OP's Dh for 6 years, now she's got to go to a panel meeting. None of this is good.

ProfessionalPirate · 22/02/2025 15:56

Franjipanl8r · 22/02/2025 11:07

Because she said she’s happy to stop volunteering but her DH is persuading her not to. This whole thing is a DH problem.

It’s within OP’s power to stop volunteering (and imo she doesn’t need to resolve anything with her DH or consider him at all to do so) but if she wants to carry on it’s the charity she needs to deal with.

Mirabai · 22/02/2025 15:56

Negroany · 22/02/2025 15:19

Can't be that tiny if there's been an investigation and she now has to go to a "panel". I've been a trustee in various small charities and we've never had enough people to convene a "panel", we'd struggle to get two people to interview for a new GM!

Well the “investigation” was carried out by one person and the 3 person panel is probably the other trustees. Any small charity needs at least 3 trustees.

Oblomov25 · 22/02/2025 15:52

@EmmaMaria

"The Equality Act 2010 doesn't apply to volunteers in the same way as employees, but organizations should still protect volunteers from discrimination. "

Is that not correct?

martinisforeveryone · 22/02/2025 15:41

crankytoes · 22/02/2025 07:52

You say others within the organisation have commented on her inappropriate manner with you.

You should lodge a complaint against her for bullying.

You could use this and the evidence of other people's witness as a reason why you sent a polite letter not threatening her but pointing out that she needed to back off you otherwise you'd have to disclose the issue.

She had forced the issue by complaining about you so you now have been forced to lodge a complaint about her bullying. And that she has used the charity to attack you

You can show that you did not threaten her. You asked her to not derail the meeting by attending as she had no reason to be there other than to continue harassing you. You did not threaten her. You merely explained that if she did not stop harassing you you would have no option but to disclose the situation as that is the root of her bullying. And now you face been forced to do this

You can turn this whole thing around OP

I agree with all of this except perhaps the 'you can turn it around'. You probably could @MellowTiger but in my opinion you would be better to attend the sanction meeting, present your evidence that you made a polite request saying you hadn't wished to report her behaviour towards you, but if it didn't stop you would take that route. I don't agree with anyone who find that a threat, but as it's been taken further I would want my say.

After clearing it all up, yes, like others I would resign and find something better to do with my time. I'd find better people to associate with too.

Fins2025 · 22/02/2025 15:20

The Equality Act applies to everywhere, and everyone, all the time. It is not a piece of employment legislation. It is a piece of legislation that covers equality in all aspects of life.

Um, no, it doesn't. It's about preventing discrimination in employment and in the conduct of business, third sector and of public services.

It doesn't apply to people in their home or in other private settings. Even though the Scottish Govt tried to regulate what people said to each other in their own living rooms.

Negroany · 22/02/2025 15:19

saraclara · 22/02/2025 15:02

@MellowTiger can you confirm whether or not you are a trustee? Does your organisation have any paid staff/a CEO?

I don't understand why you think the charity will have to fold without you. I'm guessing it's tiny then? How many trustees are there?

It would be helpful to know, in order to understand the structure, HR resources and general expertise within the charity.

Can't be that tiny if there's been an investigation and she now has to go to a "panel". I've been a trustee in various small charities and we've never had enough people to convene a "panel", we'd struggle to get two people to interview for a new GM!

Negroany · 22/02/2025 15:17

EmmaMaria · 22/02/2025 14:56

And the Equality Act doesn't cover volunteers as such, however in some cases the EA does apply.
The Equality Act applies to everywhere, and everyone, all the time. It is not a piece of employment legislation. It is a piece of legislation that covers equality in all aspects of life.

No it doesn't. It covers employment (but that does include workers, which includes volunteers) and services. It doesn't cover "all aspects of life". I don't have to put wheelchair ramps in my house, for example. And I'm allowed to choose to use an older hairdresser purely on the basis of their age, if I want to. Because the EA does not apply to private individuals.

saraclara · 22/02/2025 15:02

@MellowTiger can you confirm whether or not you are a trustee? Does your organisation have any paid staff/a CEO?

I don't understand why you think the charity will have to fold without you. I'm guessing it's tiny then? How many trustees are there?

It would be helpful to know, in order to understand the structure, HR resources and general expertise within the charity.

EmmaMaria · 22/02/2025 14:56

Oblomov25 · 22/02/2025 13:45

@ItTook9Years

I appreciate Charities have a Code of Conduct. And the Equality Act doesn't cover volunteers as such, however in some cases the EA does apply. Or rather you can't just have charities behaving willy nilly, unreasonably.

And the Equality Act doesn't cover volunteers as such, however in some cases the EA does apply.
The Equality Act applies to everywhere, and everyone, all the time. It is not a piece of employment legislation. It is a piece of legislation that covers equality in all aspects of life.

Miaowzabella · 22/02/2025 14:48

Anyone can leave a voluntary role, at any time, for any reason, with or without consulting anyone else about the decision.

Oblomov25 · 22/02/2025 14:32

@BigHeadBertha

No support for ow. She chose to have an on-off affair. For 6 years!

I'm only trying to enlighten op on how her case might be seen by others, at pending meeting, from an HR side (not even HR myself!).

Oblomov25 · 22/02/2025 14:30

@saraclara

My point exactly! Even though she's a volunteer, charities must still be seen to be behaving reasonably.

I'm just saying that OP does need to go into this (the meeting) with her eyes wide open.

Is what she text to ow considered to be a 'threat'. They've presumably taken HR advice and upheld the complaint made by ow.

PastaBolognese · 22/02/2025 14:28

Maybe it's worth clarifying what OP meant by the OW being 'awkward' with her in zoom meetings? I assumed it meant that she was being hostile or obstructive - but did she mean 'awkward' as in 'embarrassed' as she'd been found out in some shameful behaviour with OP's husband? If other people noticed, either way it's not good - but can understand why telling her not to attend a meeting just because she was embarrassed may be a valid complaint from the charity's perspective (as presumably they don't know anything about the personal stuff)

Mirabai · 22/02/2025 14:12

A charity is not exempt from HR regulations.

Quite and that includes regulations regarding workplace relationships.

Extramarital affairs are particularly frowned on because they are controversial and may lead disruption in the workplace and affect the performance of involved and uninvolved employees (in this case volunteers).

100percenthagitude · 22/02/2025 14:12

Agree with @saraclara a very batshit thread

Essentially this is a woman with various legal and ethical obligations to a charity where her name is over the door.

She has handled this badly, there is no doubt about that. She should have disclosed that two volunteers had been having a relationship. One of them being her husband. And there was apparent animosity.

That way any potential safeguarding/conflicts of interest/data and compliance breaches could be understood and managed.

Instead she chose to make a private threat because she did not want OW at a meeting (AGM I assume). OW has done the right thing by raising this as a complaint and other trustees now doing the right thing by investigating.

@MellowTiger this is all fairly simple tbh. You need to step down. Clearly there is a lack of understanding of the role you occupy. You are not a fit custodian for a public organisation.

Edited to add: and if it's true that this charity would not exist without you, then you have doubly failed in your role of managing risk and resilience.

FindusMakesPancakes · 22/02/2025 14:04

Mirabai · 22/02/2025 12:56

And yet you’re unable to see that OW is bringing her own personal beef into the charity’s sphere when it has zero to do with charity or indeed the OP.

It’s completely unacceptable to make things difficult for another volunteer to the point of making a meeting awkward that OP is obliged to attend due to her role but OW is not.

I don't think the OW should be behaving badly but what OP was doing was essentially blackmail. 'Do as I want or I will out you'. It was a highly inappropriate way to address their personal differences.

saraclara · 22/02/2025 13:56

This thread is absolutely batshit. The lack of logical thinking from most posters, or of any consideration at all for what is and isn't acceptable people management within a charity, is just insane.

A charity is not exempt from HR regulations. If anything they have to be even more careful, because volunteers can be more difficult to manage.

I am both a charity trustee, and a normal volunteer, and have seen situations from both sides. Small charities are even more at risk from getting these things wrong, as they don't have the same structural scale as large NGOs and private companies, and are often tempted to cut corners on expensive HR advice.

In my organisation, among other things, we have had to ask a trustee to step down (rather than be pushed) and manage a safeguarding situation by asking a volunteer to step down from the role they were doing, to one where their mis-step could not be repeated.

We would absolutely be taking the OW's complaint seriously. The rights and wrongs of the affair would not be our business. We would only be concerned with the complaint regarding OP's threat, and would be contacting our HR company to ensure that we addressed the situation correctly.

Mirabai · 22/02/2025 13:46

EmmaMaria · 22/02/2025 13:29

I see - the OP's husband played no part in any of it? He was just led astray a wanton female?

But you are confusing the issue just as the OP (and most posters) have. What anyone does or doesn't think about people who have affairs has absolutely nothing to do with the price of tea in China. Volunteers or not, this is a profesional workplace, and the affair has nothing to do with that workplace. Not so long ago there was a thread from a woman who wanted her husband to sack an employee that he'd slept with, and she rightly got her arse handed to her on a plate. This is no different. You can judge the affair if you want (of course, we only have one side of the events anyway) but that isn't what this is about. It is about how people interact. If the OP is correct and the other person was speaking / acting inappropriately then that should have been what was dealt with, and nothing else. As it is the other woman got her version in first because the OP stupidly made inappropriate threats.

Revenge pornography is a criminal offence, and unless the OP was threatening to disclose photos of her husband and a woman having a picnic (I doubt that is the case) then she has seriously misstepped. If someone was threatening to disclose your personal and private messages and photos, would you be as sanguine about it?

Professional workplaces have rules around fraternisation and relationships. Some have clauses stipulating relationships between colleagues must be declared. And there are some where an adulterous affair between colleagues where the spouse is also an employee could see both affair partners sacked for gross misconduct if the affair is deemed to be detrimental to their work or the workplace as a whole.

Which is where we are now - the fallout of this affair is affecting everyone.

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