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Rejected by old boss - argh!

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Greengreengrassblueblueskies · 21/02/2025 23:53

Name changed for this. I’ve spent the evening feeling very sorry for myself!

A few years ago I worked for a very long time for my old boss as his PA. I always did a good job and got great feedback/reviews and when he moved departments we kept in touch (I stayed in my old role as how our company is structured he couldn’t “take me with him”)

We have kept in touch and I’d actually say we are good friends and also colleagues.

He recently got a promotion to a newly created role and internally they advertised for a PA for him. So I applied and interviewed with him (and another person from his team on the panel). I thought I’d be great and a good fit given I know him and I know his new area he’s been promoted to.

And then at 5pm, I got a rejection email from HR. No feedback. Nothing. To make matters worse, we have spoken since the interview (about normal things unrelated to work).

I feel SO sad. I really wanted to work for him again and he always says how much he loved working with me…so why not give me the job?! Ergh.

AIBU for feeling this way?

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LastRoIo · 22/02/2025 01:05

cinnamonbunfight · 22/02/2025 00:13

Sorry no, this is a classic mistake to make when being interviewed by someone who knows you.

Hmm, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people would consider how competent the candidate had been when doing the actual role in question.

But I do appreciate that people can also be complacent in these types of scenario.

user1492757084 · 22/02/2025 01:03

It's likely be a perfectly logical reason as to why another candidate got the PA job ahead of you.

The fact that you are so emotionally invested in the relationship with your boss possibly indicates that the communication is too personal and not professional enough.

Hang in there and go for other promotions; you'll be successful soon hopefully.

Your old boss owes you nothing but a business like response. as to why you were not the perfect fit for the job this time.

Apply for feedback as if he is any other boss within the company..

BlondiePortz · 22/02/2025 01:02

Semiramide · 22/02/2025 00:56

Take a huge step back and wait for him to get in touch - if he does.

Do not cry or ask for feedback. Definitely never cry in a professional environment!

FWIW, I think he rejected you because he wanted someone less close. A PA who is just a PA. No blurred boundaries.

I agree with this, no way would I ask for feedback I would just move on

DBD1975 · 22/02/2025 00:59

OP I am really sorry to have to say this but there is a reason he didn't take you with him when he moved last time. As you have said the manager gets to decide who is appointed and if he had wanted to take you with him he would have found a way to do so.
Maybe his wife feels you got too close, maybe he had some issue with your work, maybe he is just 'fake'.
I would ask HR for feedback, however, the fact he didn't tell you himself tells you all you need to know.
I am really sorry OP it is a horrible situation and it is hurtful. Unfortunately sometimes you have to stop believing what people tell you and start believing what their actions show you.

friendlycat · 22/02/2025 00:59

Semiramide · 22/02/2025 00:56

Take a huge step back and wait for him to get in touch - if he does.

Do not cry or ask for feedback. Definitely never cry in a professional environment!

FWIW, I think he rejected you because he wanted someone less close. A PA who is just a PA. No blurred boundaries.

I have to agree with this.

Sorry I only asked whether you have been intimately involved because your comment about “it could ruin us” is so personal.

Semiramide · 22/02/2025 00:56

Take a huge step back and wait for him to get in touch - if he does.

Do not cry or ask for feedback. Definitely never cry in a professional environment!

FWIW, I think he rejected you because he wanted someone less close. A PA who is just a PA. No blurred boundaries.

Greengreengrassblueblueskies · 22/02/2025 00:54

ForLoyalLion · 22/02/2025 00:49

Sorry you're feeling rubbish OP

I agree with pps who say ultimately work is work.

People say nice platitudes all the time.

I'm wary of taking on the role as "work wife" , confidante and friend to men in the workplace as these cosy chats rarely translate to having my best interests at heart.

I don't think he'll feel he owes you an explanation at all, or that he's done anything wrong? You see him as an equal/close friend because of your conversations. He doesn't mirror this back at you.

I know someone who was a (superstar) PA who loved her job, went the extra mile.

As soon as she needed some significant compassionate leave during a busy period she was harshly reminded she was a subordinate and not a friend.

This obviously isn't ideal right now, but it's a fairly soft landing compared to being backstabbed by perfectly nice work "friends" which happens often.

You're lucky if you haven't encountered this before!

Perhaps you could look to get to a situation where you prioritise yourself, and only look to move for more pay and opportunities?

Thank you.

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Greengreengrassblueblueskies · 22/02/2025 00:53

friendlycat · 22/02/2025 00:52

You say you had thought of things to say and respond but stopped because you knew “it would ruin us” This is all way too personal. Are you actually having an intimate relationship with him?

😂absolutely not!! Gosh I just wanted some support on this thread! Not to be accused of having an affair with him.

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friendlycat · 22/02/2025 00:52

You say you had thought of things to say and respond but stopped because you knew “it would ruin us” This is all way too personal. Are you actually having an intimate relationship with him?

StormingNorman · 22/02/2025 00:52

I wouldn’t want a friend as a PA even if they were the best person for the job. It blurs too many boundaries for me, particularly if you are dealing with his personal matters too.

ForLoyalLion · 22/02/2025 00:49

Sorry you're feeling rubbish OP

I agree with pps who say ultimately work is work.

People say nice platitudes all the time.

I'm wary of taking on the role as "work wife" , confidante and friend to men in the workplace as these cosy chats rarely translate to having my best interests at heart.

I don't think he'll feel he owes you an explanation at all, or that he's done anything wrong? You see him as an equal/close friend because of your conversations. He doesn't mirror this back at you.

I know someone who was a (superstar) PA who loved her job, went the extra mile.

As soon as she needed some significant compassionate leave during a busy period she was harshly reminded she was a subordinate and not a friend.

This obviously isn't ideal right now, but it's a fairly soft landing compared to being backstabbed by perfectly nice work "friends" which happens often.

You're lucky if you haven't encountered this before!

Perhaps you could look to get to a situation where you prioritise yourself, and only look to move for more pay and opportunities?

Notsosure1 · 22/02/2025 00:48

That’s a lovely thought. But I’m sure ppl thought that about the high ups in OXFAM

edited to add ‘that’

Greengreengrassblueblueskies · 22/02/2025 00:47

friendlycat · 22/02/2025 00:43

It does sound as though there was/is quite a personal friendship and perhaps he wanted some more professional footings in place going forward. Even your assumptions that you were the correct candidate and you would have cried if he had rung you personally to tell you you didn’t get the job.

Yes I absolutely would have cried! But even if it wasn’t him telling me!

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Greengreengrassblueblueskies · 22/02/2025 00:46

Notsosure1 · 22/02/2025 00:45

Not you, OP, the person who got the job. Call me overly cynical - maybe I’ve read too many threads on this forum but when the DH/P make a new ‘work friend’ that they become a bit too involved with it’s a woman and a lot younger, it’s not a stretch that a boss would prefer to work with someone he was more sexually attracted to. I may be way off if he’s hired good old reliable Harold who’s been in the business 25 years….

I really don’t think this is true for him and not the way he or any people in my organisation would think.

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Notsosure1 · 22/02/2025 00:45

Greengreengrassblueblueskies · 22/02/2025 00:42

Sorry who do you mean She? As in me? I am certainly not very attractive at all!

Not you, OP, the person who got the job. Call me overly cynical - maybe I’ve read too many threads on this forum but when the DH/P make a new ‘work friend’ that they become a bit too involved with it’s a woman and a lot younger, it’s not a stretch that a boss would prefer to work with someone he was more sexually attracted to. I may be way off if he’s hired good old reliable Harold who’s been in the business 25 years….

Greengreengrassblueblueskies · 22/02/2025 00:44

user1477249785 · 22/02/2025 00:41

Sending you best wishes OP You sounds really squared away and like you are trying to be really sensible about a difficult situation. You'll get through this. Take the weekend to feel sad about it then hold your head up high and remember that you have huge amounts to offer and there will be other opportunities. .

Thank you for taking the time to reply and give your advice and guidance! I assure you before posting this I had already thought of messages to send and things to say to him but stopped because I knew it’d ruin us. And then reading your messages summarised that! I need to feel sad and let it out but be professional in front of him and realise it’s not easy on him either. You know I spent a lot of time today wondering why he didn’t call me and I had to hear from our generic HR email and your post was so helpful in helping me understand. I really would’ve gotten my hopes up if he phoned and then had a very emotional reaction that I wouldn’t have wanted him to hear.

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Mls1984btc · 22/02/2025 00:44

Hi it was me who mentioned he should have a discussion with the OP.

There've been no contact from him except a official rejection email from the HR. I do think this is a shoddy way to treat someone you have a weekly chat with. Regardless of how awkward the conversation could be, you either pick up the phone or even better meet the op in person to discuss this rejection.

DBD1975 · 22/02/2025 00:43

Ownyourchoices · 22/02/2025 00:27

You may never get a clear reason. Yo be honest i find the idea of his having a private diary very weird. I deal with a lot of very senior executives and that is not a thing any more.

Like the old days when secretaries picked up their bosses dry cleaning or picked up flowers for their wife

I remember those days, I once got sent out by my manager to get a valentines card for his wife!

friendlycat · 22/02/2025 00:43

It does sound as though there was/is quite a personal friendship and perhaps he wanted some more professional footings in place going forward. Even your assumptions that you were the correct candidate and you would have cried if he had rung you personally to tell you you didn’t get the job.

Greengreengrassblueblueskies · 22/02/2025 00:42

Notsosure1 · 22/02/2025 00:40

It’ll be interesting to see what I presume SHE looks like

Sorry who do you mean She? As in me? I am certainly not very attractive at all!

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user1477249785 · 22/02/2025 00:41

Sending you best wishes OP You sounds really squared away and like you are trying to be really sensible about a difficult situation. You'll get through this. Take the weekend to feel sad about it then hold your head up high and remember that you have huge amounts to offer and there will be other opportunities. .

Notsosure1 · 22/02/2025 00:40

Greengreengrassblueblueskies · 22/02/2025 00:19

Also, and it’s rather embarrassing to type, but I just feel so so embarrassed. I feel embarrassed to message him, or be normal with him knowing he’s rejected me for the role. I don’t really know how I can go back to a friendship either.

It’ll be interesting to see what I presume SHE looks like

Greengreengrassblueblueskies · 22/02/2025 00:37

user1477249785 · 22/02/2025 00:36

Re the person who said he should have told the OP, I'm not sure. I really went backwards and forth on this and in the end I thought getting a call from me would be too cruel. The person would have thought I was calling to give them the job. They would likely have cried in front of me which I knew they would not want to do. I thought an email, followed by a conversation when they'd had time to process was the kindest thing to do.

I 100% would have cried if he phoned me and told me. I’d have seen his name and assumed he was giving me the job and wouldn’t have been able to hide my emotions

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user1477249785 · 22/02/2025 00:36

Re the person who said he should have told the OP, I'm not sure. I really went backwards and forth on this and in the end I thought getting a call from me would be too cruel. The person would have thought I was calling to give them the job. They would likely have cried in front of me which I knew they would not want to do. I thought an email, followed by a conversation when they'd had time to process was the kindest thing to do.

Greengreengrassblueblueskies · 22/02/2025 00:35

user1477249785 · 22/02/2025 00:33

I can't quote you OP because I'm on the app but you asked how the relationship worked out: the answer is it is still strong and I've subsequently given that person another role (some years later). I think this was because of how well they handled it. They asked for feedback but fully accepted the decision I suspect that wasn't their initial emotion but they didn't show me anything other than professionalism and I acknowledged that this was a tough situation. We've gone on to have a strong relationship and one of the things I admire most about them is the way they handled what could have been a tricky situation. By all means feel your emotions but at the end of the day he had to make the best decision he could in the circumstances. When following up, if you can try and keep this in mind.

Thank you so much for this. I’m going to keep reminding myself of this! I’m going to perhaps say something along the lines of I understand it’s an awkward situation, but there was a better candidate and I accept that and would like some feedback. Even if I’m slightly lying as I’m very upset still!

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