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Are you wary of travelling to USA currently?

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RosaMoline · 21/02/2025 14:42

I am sure you will tell me I’m BU, but that’s fine!
I’ve been to the states numerous times - Florida (all over, not just Disney/Orlando), New York City, California (los Angeles), Massachusetts and New Orleans.
Myself and 2 adult DCs were planning to go to Orlando again this October. Primarily for Halloween and DS (28) is autistic & very fixated with all things Disney.
DD (30) and I decided not to go ahead and take DS to Disneyland Paris instead. Yes, we’ve been there before, and it doesn’t really compare to the US version (IMO) not even close, but DS won’t mind.
it’s solely down to the current POS in charge and all his minions. America seems (to me) to be on a knife edge, very volatile, and DD being LGBT is understandably unsettled too.
I am not the sort of person who usually would even give a moment’s thought to something like this, but I just have a really uneasy feeling about going there. Chances are, at age 58, I may never go again.
AIBU or would you be thinking twice at the moment about travelling there? (especially Florida which is a red state)
I detest that man SO much!

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CanadaNotAMum · 25/02/2025 01:24

TizerorFizz · 22/02/2025 18:08

Well we are going to the USA in May. Too late to back out! We always enjoy the USA but for the first time, we are going to one Democrat state and two Republican states. We had a chat only last night about avoiding politics!

We were in Arizona and Utah in 2016 and a few people asked us what Brits thought about Trump. They then declared themselves to be Democrats. We had pleasant conversations with them and listened to their concerns. This time!! ? Who knows. We are coming up with a phrase to respect their decision. My DH is potentially a loose cannon and we are so angry about the rubbish being spouted about Ukraine and support for Russia.

We might have been unhappy about being a poodle to the USA but now we are literally irrelevant. I guess we don’t have minerals. Nothing for Trump here and he’s not going to listen to anyone in the UK. No idea what happens about our “soft power” now? Can Charles and Camilla save the day?

Make sure your family has their passports and other identification on them at all times. ICE raids are absolutely occurring and you don’t want you or your kids to get caught up in one with a non American accent and no documentation.

CanadaNotAMum · 25/02/2025 01:19

alwaysdeleteyourcookies · 22/02/2025 14:53

I'm going to Canada instead.

We welcome you!

CanadaNotAMum · 25/02/2025 01:14

GildedRage · 21/02/2025 15:15

I could see an attempt to take over Canada with military and an ensuing war.
Support Canada instead of the lying cheats.

Thank you! We appreciate the support. I’ve never seen my own country so united. The disrespect and threats against Canada is an unforgivable betrayal. Canadians have died to help the US fight wars they often provoked, and they threaten to annex us?

Canadians are en masse protesting with out wallets, buying “Canadian first, everywhere else second, American last”. Florida oranges are rotting in our supermarkets, but limes from Mexico are flying off the shelves lest we get scurvy. We are choosing British Cadbury chocolate over American, Amazon purchases have fallen 10% compared to last year, and we are changing US holiday plans for Canada or Europe, not just as a protest, but to avoid being investing in the regime.

I live close to the US border and I didn’t think I’d have to worry about them invading, but many people are quietly figuring out plans on if that happens.

AlexandrinaH · 25/02/2025 00:53

Upstartled · 21/02/2025 14:52

No. I'd happily go to America.
Civil war, Jesus🤣

Classic Mumsnet isn’t it? 😂

Breezeblock · 25/02/2025 00:52

Emmz1510 · 24/02/2025 18:17

I think if I already had a trip booked imminently I would probably go rather than risk losing money and a trip of a lifetime. The USA still has loads to offer in terms of history, culture, sightseeing, entertainment and that toad being in power doesn’t change all that. I don’t know that Americans will see much immediate change; on a day to basis life will go on much as it has been doing. I do desperately fear for the trans community and those from ethnic minorities.
However (and this a big however) I am not going out of my way to go there anytime soon and would prefer to wait until someone sane is in power before booking another trip. I’m not worried about safety so much as not really wanting to contribute to the economy of a country that would vote someone in who is a racist, homophobic, bigoted, gun- loving criminal.

As a visitor the changes will start to show, for example, in places like visiting the national parks. Lots of rangers have been laid off indiscriminately and some trails are closing already.

DuchessDissasster · 24/02/2025 23:47

At this rate some of you will have nowhere in the world to go 🤷‍♀️

Emmz1510 · 24/02/2025 18:17

I think if I already had a trip booked imminently I would probably go rather than risk losing money and a trip of a lifetime. The USA still has loads to offer in terms of history, culture, sightseeing, entertainment and that toad being in power doesn’t change all that. I don’t know that Americans will see much immediate change; on a day to basis life will go on much as it has been doing. I do desperately fear for the trans community and those from ethnic minorities.
However (and this a big however) I am not going out of my way to go there anytime soon and would prefer to wait until someone sane is in power before booking another trip. I’m not worried about safety so much as not really wanting to contribute to the economy of a country that would vote someone in who is a racist, homophobic, bigoted, gun- loving criminal.

JoyousGreyOrca · 23/02/2025 12:43

I have travelled all over the US and am still shocked at how poor their websites are for attractions. Often very little practical information such as opening times, are you open on bank holidays, accessibility, etc. They expect you to ring and check out basic information.

DuchessDissasster · 23/02/2025 10:37

There is some truth that sectors of the USA need a wake up call. In many sectors they live as if they have money trees and it's still the 1950s. Americans have been fed this false narrative by subsequent Governments that they are the best country in the world. Take the military eg a family member still shops in military shops and has additional benefits owing to her husband being in the military in the 1960s. It's ridiculous. The USA is still antiquated in many ways. Having to deal with their banking system and many of their companies is mind blowing. It's like a time warp.

onestepfurtheragain · 23/02/2025 10:23

None of my hard earned cash will be going into his economy. I know this will have no effect on anything but my conscience but it helps me sleep at night.

KenAdams · 23/02/2025 10:21

There won't be a civil war because no one can or will stand up to Trump. Anyone who could will be replaced within the system.

He's setting up to control everything as a dictatorship which will effect all our economies amarketsts don't like uncertainty. Prepare for a future where the world is governed by whichever side of the bed Trump wakes up on. I'm waiting for him to announce Eric as his successor tbh, because he obviously doesn't think it will be Vance.

Foreign powers aren't standing up to him either. We've massively fucked ourselves with our reliance on the US, particularly in terms of defence and tech.

I'm not sure if this is four years of madness and we go back to normal or if this will turn the tide for good.

DutchCowgirl · 22/02/2025 22:40

We will be going in may.. all the Trump-news does take away some of my excitement. But I must say in my own country people also have voted massively for far right parties and i am not happy with our current government… so who am i to judge?

Last year we were in Miami and it struck me it was so amazingly lgbtq friendly, rainbows everywhere, gay couples kissing on the beach and walking hand in hand in shopping malls. Better then in Amsterdam almost! I doubt it all changed in the last few months…

britinnyc · 22/02/2025 22:39

Wizzywoodoodah · 22/02/2025 22:05

OP you have echoed my concerns. We have not yet booked flights or accommodation, but we have plans to visit LA this summer. We booked tickets to see My Chemical Romance in LA before the political situation kicked off, and now I am uneasy about going, especially given the amount of money it will cost that I do not want to spend there.
My youngest identifies as non-binary, both of my children are autistic and both are hugely looking forward to the concert but they are also hugely conflicted and quite fearful of the political issues in the states.
We can sell the tickets, or go and keep the visit short. The air traffic control safety situation is also a concern for me.

It is LA, there are no concerns with being non binary here, CA is a democrat state and the majority of people, especially in LA do not pile Trump and do not represent any of the things that he says. Please don’t be afraid to come here, spending money with CA businesses means most of it goes to people who align with your values. The whole country has not turned into a fascist state where only white men are valued and CA always fights hard to protest the rights people care about. And if all else fails we may try to join Canada! I know there are terrible things going on at the federal level but don’t punish the states that are putting up a fight

purplehair1 · 22/02/2025 22:31

itsnotabouthepasta · 21/02/2025 15:08

What terrifies me isn't the salute itself - its the people tying themselves in knots to defend it.

If you have to try and defend/justify someone doing a FUCKING NAZI SALUTE you are on the wrong side of history.

I don't care about Trump putting America's interests first. In actual fact, I think thats what every politician SHOULD be doing in reality. But the lies, the gaslighting, the actual NAZISM is just beyond disgusting.

He’s not putting ‘America’s interests first’ he’s putting his own and all the billionaires first (and Putin and Netanyahu)

Stopsnowing · 22/02/2025 22:29

I wouldn’t feel unsafe personally but I have no interest in travelling to countries in conflict or where there are large disparities in wealth. If I am on holiday I want to be somewhere where most people are calm and happy.

HRTQueen · 22/02/2025 22:26

It’s fine I was recently there and shall be going again soon

there are concerns but the concerns about civil war (played out more in power play than soldiers fighting) and civil unrest was talked about by serious political journalists before the election but this was more if it was a very close election or Trump lost but the republicans have full control

most Americans are just getting on with life like we are here i

KeenGreen · 22/02/2025 22:25

I’ve not read all the posts but a few.

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable OP. It is very troubling imo

im sure there are plenty who will say it’s fine they’re not worried.

and I’m sure there will be some who politics aligns with the current administration and so would say it’s unreasonable but unlimited do what your comfortable with OP

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 22/02/2025 22:24

I'm a (mostly) heterosexual white male, so about as safe there as I could be, and you still won't catch me setting foot in the US for many years to come.

The whole country is a tinder box just waiting to catch.

MILLYmo0se · 22/02/2025 22:18

ThisBlueDeer · 21/02/2025 15:08

I have no current plans to go but I wouldn’t be put off no.

Talk of a civil war is mental - the present administration were democratically elected. It’s not the first or last time they’ll elect a government whose values don’t align with mine.

This is a lot more than a President whose values are a little different to yours though surely? Nazi salutes, Mass firing of Federal employees, giving a private citizens like Musk what seems like unlimited access and power to do what he wants, attempting to access citizens private information, aligning the US with Russia....

Parker231 · 22/02/2025 22:13

RafaFan · 22/02/2025 22:03

I haven't been for 13 years, and I live just over the border, in Canada! I used to have to go quite frequently for work, and always found the border/customs agents the most obnoxious of any country I've ever been to. I will quite happily never set foot in the place again.

We cross at Champlain - definitely some pleasant and much less pleasant border agents. We avoid crossing at the peak times as they can’t cope!

BeanAround · 22/02/2025 22:10

I nearly started a similar thread the other day - we were planning to visit in Autumn but I am rethinking. I don’t necessarily expect there would be any practical impact on our plans- although we were planning to go to National Parks and I have already heard some talk of issues with park services and bookings linked to the “efficiency” cuts. And it’s not really about taking a moral stand. I think in mumsnet speak I have simply “got the ick” - Trump has toxified the whole country for me.

(I am seriously worried about the implications of Trump’s presidency on a whole manner of things, but I don’t think it will mean it would actually be unsafe to travel to the US in the near future)

custardpyjamas · 22/02/2025 22:08

aModernClassic · 21/02/2025 14:52

I think you're massively overreacting and worrying. Even seeing your update. They aren't anti-LGBT+ they just aren't prioritising or giving them special treatment anymore.

Go and enjoy your trip

Rather depends what bits of (MAGA type) social media you read. For some if you are not White, Christian and heterosexual you are not welcome even if you are true blue American and have lived there for generations. I know that's not everyone, but worrying if you don't meet those criteria.

Rocketpants50 · 22/02/2025 22:06

We were looking to head to one of the national parks but seeing as all the staff have been sacked I am refusing to go as I think they do a valuable job. So going knowing the rangers aren't there is a big no.

Wizzywoodoodah · 22/02/2025 22:05

OP you have echoed my concerns. We have not yet booked flights or accommodation, but we have plans to visit LA this summer. We booked tickets to see My Chemical Romance in LA before the political situation kicked off, and now I am uneasy about going, especially given the amount of money it will cost that I do not want to spend there.
My youngest identifies as non-binary, both of my children are autistic and both are hugely looking forward to the concert but they are also hugely conflicted and quite fearful of the political issues in the states.
We can sell the tickets, or go and keep the visit short. The air traffic control safety situation is also a concern for me.

RafaFan · 22/02/2025 22:03

I haven't been for 13 years, and I live just over the border, in Canada! I used to have to go quite frequently for work, and always found the border/customs agents the most obnoxious of any country I've ever been to. I will quite happily never set foot in the place again.

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