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Are you wary of travelling to USA currently?

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RosaMoline · 21/02/2025 14:42

I am sure you will tell me I’m BU, but that’s fine!
I’ve been to the states numerous times - Florida (all over, not just Disney/Orlando), New York City, California (los Angeles), Massachusetts and New Orleans.
Myself and 2 adult DCs were planning to go to Orlando again this October. Primarily for Halloween and DS (28) is autistic & very fixated with all things Disney.
DD (30) and I decided not to go ahead and take DS to Disneyland Paris instead. Yes, we’ve been there before, and it doesn’t really compare to the US version (IMO) not even close, but DS won’t mind.
it’s solely down to the current POS in charge and all his minions. America seems (to me) to be on a knife edge, very volatile, and DD being LGBT is understandably unsettled too.
I am not the sort of person who usually would even give a moment’s thought to something like this, but I just have a really uneasy feeling about going there. Chances are, at age 58, I may never go again.
AIBU or would you be thinking twice at the moment about travelling there? (especially Florida which is a red state)
I detest that man SO much!

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Jabtastic · 21/02/2025 16:48

Recitalbouquet · 21/02/2025 16:47

Have they got two armies then? Or do you think their existing army is going to split in two and then they’re going to fight each other? Doesn’t sound very likely.

No I think Republicans have all the guns.

Recitalbouquet · 21/02/2025 16:47

RandomButtons · 21/02/2025 14:43

I think they are headed for civil war tbh.

Have they got two armies then? Or do you think their existing army is going to split in two and then they’re going to fight each other? Doesn’t sound very likely.

Jabtastic · 21/02/2025 16:47

What I find fascinating is watching The Handmaid's Tale against the current USA backdrop and seeing how terrifyingly plausible it has become.

IhadaStripeyDeckchair · 21/02/2025 16:45

You are definitely not being unreasonable.

Nothing could persuade me to set foot in the USA while that man & his type are running the country.
Why would I want to spend time in a country run by a convicted rapist & felon & a liar? a man who is removing the rights of women, people in the LBGTQ+ community, who is racist and disrespectful of anyone who is not rich & influential & supporting him.

StandFirm · 21/02/2025 16:41

AelinAG · 21/02/2025 16:18

I’d go. But I’m a middle class white woman in her thirties with an acceptable religion and a nationality that doesn’t offend anyone.
The only alternation I’d make to my behaviour is not wearing my Star of David cross or Jewish blessing ring. I’m not Jewish but they belonged to my grandma and I love them and wear them often as it would have made her very happy. But I make this alteration in the UK at the moment a lot too.

Sadly appalling attitudes are creeping into the UK too at the moment...
Anecdote: I was getting on the bus today heading to a meeting with a client who speaks a different language (my ability to speak said language is a source of pride to me as it was bloody hard work). I was on the phone to him and wrapping up the conversation as I sat down next to a woman in her sixties/early 70s. She turned to me with a look of utter loathing and said verbatim "I cannot sit next to that" motioning me to let her get past. I duly did but I was shocked. I want to think she meant that she doesn't want people to talk on the phone next to her but I think it was something else...

Jabtastic · 21/02/2025 16:38

We were planning to visit family there this summer but we have decided against it. I have no desire to go there at the minute.

thepariscrimefiles · 21/02/2025 16:33

I wouldn't travel to the USA. I wouldn't want to give them my tourist dollars and I now feel about them like I did about South Africa before the end of apartheid.

Nevermind91 · 21/02/2025 16:31

I wouldn't ever go myself as I'm not comfortable going to places where gun ownership, and indeed use, is seen as a God-given right.
Of course, the chances of being caught up in their willful violence is very small, as it largely happens in shopping malls, schools and churches, rather than tourist hotspots.
All that aside, I'm told it's lovely..

RosaMoline · 21/02/2025 16:27

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 21/02/2025 16:25

I’m a dual US/UK citizen (I grew up in the USA) and have many family members and friends who live there. I can say that many people are upset about the political situation, but there haven’t been any changes to safety and people and places are just the same as they always have been. I have expat friends who live here in the U.K. who have cancelled visits home - but purely for emotional reasons. Disney has a long history of being very pro LGBTQ since at least the 90s. I don’t think your family member would have anything to be concerned about.

I get what you’re saying, but it’s not just that. The whole place doesn’t ’feel safe’ for a number of reasons.

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ShuffleShuffleSpin · 21/02/2025 16:25

I’m a dual US/UK citizen (I grew up in the USA) and have many family members and friends who live there. I can say that many people are upset about the political situation, but there haven’t been any changes to safety and people and places are just the same as they always have been. I have expat friends who live here in the U.K. who have cancelled visits home - but purely for emotional reasons. Disney has a long history of being very pro LGBTQ since at least the 90s. I don’t think your family member would have anything to be concerned about.

AelinAG · 21/02/2025 16:18

I’d go. But I’m a middle class white woman in her thirties with an acceptable religion and a nationality that doesn’t offend anyone.
The only alternation I’d make to my behaviour is not wearing my Star of David cross or Jewish blessing ring. I’m not Jewish but they belonged to my grandma and I love them and wear them often as it would have made her very happy. But I make this alteration in the UK at the moment a lot too.

Ontopofthesunset · 21/02/2025 16:17

I went to the US for the first time in about 10 years last September to visit two sets of (liberal) friends, one living in a very blue state and one in a very red state. I'm glad I visited my friends then because I wouldn't be keen to go now, not because I'm worried about personal danger as a white late middle-aged woman (though gun violence is an everpresent low level risk that we're not used to here), but more because the US is now being governed by someone who is betraying the country's allies and making some very dangerous long term decisions.

JustMeHello · 21/02/2025 16:16

I've never forgotten the woman I met with my mum in a national park somewhere in Utah, I think, many years ago. It was during the first Obama election. She heard our British accents and came over to us, demanding to know what we thought of nationalised healthcare. We knew immediately what she was on about. My mum played along, and was enthusiastic about how brilliant it was, everyone could get whatever treatment they needed without having to pay, even if they're poor or unemployed etc, and she was outraged, kept saying but surely we resent our taxes going to pay for lazy people to have treatment, and we said no, we think it's great. Then she got on to how Obama wasn't American and was going to change the American flag if he won, and my mum played naive and was all 'oh wow, that's shocking, you'd think the media would have reported on that if he'd said that, wouldn't you?' and she claimed that 'they' were hiding it all because it was a conspiracy of 'the liberal left' to Obama elected. She had a t shirt saying she loved guns, and started ranting about scrounging lazy immigrants. I often think about her and how she must be loving Trump and the current climate.

RexsSoupCan · 21/02/2025 16:10

Yes! not a chance I would go at the moment

Crikeyalmighty · 21/02/2025 16:08

@Mistletoewench yes that's how we feel

Jennifershuffles · 21/02/2025 16:08

The current situation is unstable, I would not book something far in advance, and would be worried about going there with a gender nonconforming teen. I've always felt that it's a country I would not visit if our family was black - we lived in CA for 4 years so I do know the place to an extent.
I don't really think there is likely to be any danger, but the whole thing makes me feel extremely disturbed. A place where those in power are giving Nazi salutes is not a place I want to bring my family.

JustMeHello · 21/02/2025 16:08

I would absolutely not consider going to the US again while Trump is in charge. But to be honest, even when he's gone I think I'd have serious doubts about going again until the general direction of society and politics changes. I've been several times and loved it, there are some amazing places, but the change in people in general over the last couple of decades is scary, and there are other places I'd go before going back there.

OneLemonDog · 21/02/2025 16:05

I wouldn't travel there and I'm less than 15 mins away.

Hufflemuff · 21/02/2025 16:05

Due to fly to the MidWest in Spirng and yes... but only because of all the recent plane crashes! There's been about 5 in USA in 2025:

Recent Incidents:

  1. January 29, 2025: An American Airlines regional jet collided midair with a U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter near Washington, D.C., resulting in 67 deaths.
  1. January 31, 2025: A Learjet 55 medical evacuation flight crashed shortly after takeoff in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, killing all six on board and one person on the ground.
  1. February 6, 2025: A Bering Air Cessna 208B crashed over Norton Sound in Alaska, resulting in 10 fatalities.
  1. February 8, 2025: A small plane crashed near Covington Municipal Airport in Georgia, killing both occupants.
Mistletoewench · 21/02/2025 16:04

user17353 · 21/02/2025 15:51

We were going to visit this summer. We are now going somewhere else.

I no longer view the US as a friendly country. As someone in my 50s who has lived through various turbulent times, I'm more worried than I have ever been about the state of the world and its trump and musk that are responsible.

We go to the states a lot as a family and I’ve just come back from NYC.
What is going on over there has shaken us tbc, and how quickly things have escalated.
we are giving it a miss this year and hopefully things will settle down.
it upsets me as I love America and its people, it just feels unstable at the moment.

Bollihobs · 21/02/2025 16:03

mathanxiety · 21/02/2025 15:11

At the same time, the governor of the state I live in made an explicitly anti Nazi speech along with the presenting of the state budget.

Meanwhile an Ipsos poll shows trump polling below 50%. Yes, that's a lower case t.

Oh my God, no, not, not.....a lower case 't'...... 😂 That'll show him!

unsync · 21/02/2025 16:03

You couldn't pay me to go to the States. Disgust and contempt are my main feelings. I don't understand why anyone would want to have anything to do with them after recent events. Amoral and avaricious behaviour should not be supported.

JoyousGreyOrca · 21/02/2025 16:02

I am not convinced there will be an outright civil war, unrest yes.
I think the geographical area around Disney will be fairly safe.
What would worry me more is plane crashes. 4 crashes in a short space of time, firing of staff and utter chaos in the agencies as a result, just sounds like more disasters waiting to happen.

PurpleThistle7 · 21/02/2025 16:01

Im American and we are going back for 3 weeks in July and again in December (my father in law is quite ill) and I am beyond anxious about it. Between the guns, the political situation, the intense under staffing of all sorts of key posts (huge numbers of staff being fired from
National parks, aviation, etc) it's super scary. He's rolling back all sorts of environmental protections and I'm sure making the food and air and water less and less safe.

I already worry about being shot (my grandmother's old age home and my father's synagogue had mass shooting events and we stay with my dad, my in-laws own endless guns and I've had a gun pointed at me twice when I lived there)

A huge concern for me as well is accessing safe health care if we need it. My daughter is 12 and I'd be super hesitant to visit in a few years. I'd definitely be making sure she wasn't pregnant before we left (and this isn't just about abortion, there are other things she could have to access if she was indeed pregnant that wouldn't be available to her in some states today. It's a safety issue for me.)

My husband and I are both American so no choice really but I'm sick about it.

Words · 21/02/2025 15:58

The fact we are invited to applaud a state governor making "an anti Nazi speech" says absolutely everything about the state America is in now.

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