To think that now is the time for powerful voices to speak up…

Yeah some go more ways than others.

I can't compel large numbers of people to vote how they vote either. Funny how the line gets trotted out on here "I wasn't listened to and so I voted for a prick" time and time again. When in actual fact you ARE being listened to, you just don't have a sense of fair play. I mean the royal "you" btw.

Yes. It's Brexit all over again. Shame lessons weren't learnt then, hey!!

I mean, these 77m people have just voted in a puppet dictator, who is letting Musk ride roughshod over the constitution. But sure,.it's all grand.

I can't compel large numbers of people to vote for anyone, nor would I want to. If my arguments don't hold up to scrutiny, I am fine with that. You should be too and vote as you wish, accordingly.

Unfortunately, that's what 77m Americans did. You seem very disappointed in that. I can see why they did, though, and I think media lies and manipulation go both ways.

It's brexit all over again. Fingers in ears. "La la la la la can't hear you". And somehow we're to blame for that. Gaslighting on an epic scale.

That's my point. Your arguments don't hold any water. Women's rights, but not really. Child safeguarding but not really. Then you're happy a narcissist gets into power so you can have MORE of the same.

See. That's illogical.

On all issues, or just on "womens rights" ?

(Despite the fact he is anti women having any rights over their own bodies)

'You literally said you were glad he won the second time.'

Because I consider him better than the alternative.......

I was referring to your arguments 🤣🤣. They don't hold up to scrutiny. Much like brexiteers arguments. Instead people vote for fascists and scream "i wasn't listened to" when actually they were, they just lacked logic and reason in their arguments.

Also "however awful he has been made out to be" is a very bizarre way of describing a self proclaimed "pussy grabber" who is also convicted Felon (and that's just for starters @rabbitwoman )

Because there has been lots of manipulation of voters on social media.

Because lots of voters are hugely uneducated and easily manipulated (we saw that with Brexit too).

Because the economy is in a crap place and that tends to lead people who lack much knowledge to lean towards the right.

Because some very silly people focused on one specific issue that they agreed with trump on and ignored everything that was wrong with Trump

Etc etc.

'If an argument doesn't hold up to scrutiny, we should all vote for self-serving egomaniacs and have more of the same.'

Well, yes. Because if an argument doesn't hold up to scrutiny it's no good, is it? Maybe get better arguments?

He hasn’t been ‘made out’ to be awful. He’s proved himself to be awful time and time again.

You literally said you were glad he won the second time.

Again, if honesty and truth isn't your bag, then sure, vote for narcissists.

AND HE STILL WON!!!

He was still considered better than the alternative.

If I have given the impression I am thrilled with that then that's my fault, because the point I am trying to make is that however awful he has been made out to be, the powerful and rich who spoke against him could not persuade the voters they were better.

I am interested in figuring out why. For next time.

Oh honey.
Hitler won too. (Originally). It doesn't mean the people who thought he was good news were right.

Ah I get it now. Thanks for showing me the way. If an argument doesn't hold up to scrutiny, we should all vote for self-serving egomaniacs and have more of the same. Got it.

He was recorded bragging about grabbing pussy. No bias. No relying on reporters. COLD. HARD. FACT.

“I don’t even wait’ is pretty clear that he doesn’t get consent. Otherwise what else is he not waiting for? Either way it’s a gross way to treat and talk about women and it belies his complete and utter contempt for anyone he sees as lesser (eg mocking someone with disability).

Well, look, as a last word, as I have just read the last few posts, I will just say that DESPITE EVERYTHING, the allegations, the stupid behaviour, the misogyny, whether it be misinterpreted or misreported or whatever Trump said, did not say, did or did not do, whether I defend it or condemn it..... It's too late.

He won.

If this thread doesn't give you a clue as to why, then please please don't go into politics.

Yes sleep well. You can't say we've not asked for your opinions and I hope you've felt listened to on here. Even though your stance on women's rights now hold much less water for me than when you first entered the thread. Night.

Omg Truss Farage , she is an idiot for a start , and as a Brit no I could never ever want to be ruled by a government such as Trumps. Farage also , why is he not here sorting out his own countries issues and that of the people who voted for him I. His own constituency. Not in the USA , Their are very level headed people in America as there are here, but many are swayed by false Information , lies and abuse of other parties , just like the false information given by Farage when we had to vote either to stay or leave the EU. I tend to read the facts before making any decision, let's face it , you would read the small print prior to signing a house ,loan or car agreement would you not, I do the same for my future and that of my children.

More Trump:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.JeanCarrollv.DonaldJ.Trump

Just to add to his 32 felony convictions from last year that the judge was too scared to sentence him for. Or anyone want to explain those away, too?

Perhaps a little diversion on how Putin, a famously ruthless KGB murderer, is just standing up against gender ideology when he has all his political enemies poisoned by radioactive teapots or pushed off balconies? I’m sure we can find some positives in his character! Do we love a strong leader, ladies…?

'Your suggestion that one of those phrases regarding pussy grabbing would be fine and not the other is somewhat astonishing'

One is consential. One is not. Astonishing that you can't see the difference is not the word.

And I don't have the energy for a debate on that, but I am satisfied that it was stupid, locker room banter. If you're not, that's fine.

I find Clinton's behaviour with much younger, impressionable interns more revolting. That definitely coloured my opinion of someone who would run alongside him. But that's me, and at least the Clintons are far removed from power now.

One day trump will be too.

Do sleep well, everyone.

Ah yeah, I forgot the rest of what he said.

Yup. Still disgusting.