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To think that now is the time for powerful voices to speak up…

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Alifemoreordinary123 · 20/02/2025 20:14

I’m not highly educated or hugely politically savvy. But like many people, I’m horrified by Trump and Musk’s approach, propaganda and ideology. It’s increasingly possibly they will take the world to a very dark place. I keep thinking, surely there are enough counter powers - people with power and influence, leaders from business, media, the arts, politics across the Western world to try and counter some of their rhetoric. I’m not naive to the immense power they hold, but surely reason, sense, logic and hope will win over?

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madamweb · 21/02/2025 00:12

rabbitwoman · 21/02/2025 00:11

She might just have gone to bed.

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You realise Brexit didn't happen this afternoon?

rabbitwoman · 21/02/2025 00:11

madamweb · 21/02/2025 00:08

You remind me of an otherwise intelligent woman in a Facebook mums group I am in. She went on and on about why we were all fools for warning that Brexit would be a disaster for the UK. She has gone eerily quiet now.

She might just have gone to bed.

rabbitwoman · 21/02/2025 00:09

Whimsicalgrape · 21/02/2025 00:04

I don't believe a word you say.

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You don't have to believe me. I am not running for power, I don't need you to believe me.

You might want me and all those like me to believe you, though, next time there is a vote. Otherwise you are going to be very disappointed again.....

madamweb · 21/02/2025 00:08

You remind me of an otherwise intelligent woman in a Facebook mums group I am in. She went on and on about why we were all fools for warning that Brexit would be a disaster for the UK. She has gone eerily quiet now.

username299 · 21/02/2025 00:07

It's very difficult when someone tells brazen lies to win hearts and minds.

Many people fell for Brexit lies, despite evidence to the contrary. Many people fell for Trump's lies and promises.

Trump promised to fix everything wrong with America and bring about a golden age. That's what people want to hear.

No one with integrity can compete with that. After Brexit people saw through the lies and despite that, they're still voting for Farage; he tells people what they want to hear despite the evidence.

madamweb · 21/02/2025 00:06

rabbitwoman · 21/02/2025 00:04

I am a woman. I am not a rabbit.

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I expect most Rabbits have a better code of ethics though

BIossomtoes · 21/02/2025 00:05

I believe they’re not a rabbit.

Whimsicalgrape · 21/02/2025 00:04

rabbitwoman · 21/02/2025 00:04

I am a woman. I am not a rabbit.

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I don't believe a word you say.

Whimsicalgrape · 21/02/2025 00:04

rabbitwoman · 21/02/2025 00:02

So? I don't need credibility either. Just ID and a pencil.

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Then don't try and convince me of you weak arguments because you're not a credible person.

rabbitwoman · 21/02/2025 00:04

Whimsicalgrape · 20/02/2025 23:59

Doubt rabbitwoman is a woman. Even more doubtful they were ever a socialist at heart. Yeah maybe there should be an IQ test before people are allowed to vote

I am a woman. I am not a rabbit.

rabbitwoman · 21/02/2025 00:02

Whimsicalgrape · 20/02/2025 23:57

Well then you've undermined any shred of credibility you had when making your point. Believe it or not, to some people a sense of fair play actually matters.

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So? I don't need credibility either. Just ID and a pencil.

BIossomtoes · 21/02/2025 00:02

rabbitwoman · 21/02/2025 00:00

I have learnt that the hard of thinking, whoever and wherever they are, all have one vote each and use it.

We all have the same tools to decide who to vote for, and who to align with.

The primary art is in making someone put the cross in YOUR box. And secondary, NOT making them want to vote against you no matter who their opponent is.

Currently, the left is failing at both of these things.

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That’s demonstrably untrue. We saw the evidence of it back in July.

Whimsicalgrape · 21/02/2025 00:01

rabbitwoman · 21/02/2025 00:00

I have learnt that the hard of thinking, whoever and wherever they are, all have one vote each and use it.

We all have the same tools to decide who to vote for, and who to align with.

The primary art is in making someone put the cross in YOUR box. And secondary, NOT making them want to vote against you no matter who their opponent is.

Currently, the left is failing at both of these things.

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Because the right don't listen to reason. Ever.

rabbitwoman · 21/02/2025 00:00

Whimsicalgrape · 20/02/2025 23:53

What genuinely is there to "learn"? If we kowtow to the hard of thinking they'll magically stop being hard of thinking?

That's just silly.

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I have learnt that the hard of thinking, whoever and wherever they are, all have one vote each and use it.

We all have the same tools to decide who to vote for, and who to align with.

The primary art is in making someone put the cross in YOUR box. And secondary, NOT making them want to vote against you no matter who their opponent is.

Currently, the left is failing at both of these things.

Whimsicalgrape · 20/02/2025 23:59

Doubt rabbitwoman is a woman. Even more doubtful they were ever a socialist at heart. Yeah maybe there should be an IQ test before people are allowed to vote

BIossomtoes · 20/02/2025 23:58

madamweb · 20/02/2025 23:57

We don't know whether Rabbitwoman is a woman to be fair.

But there are some women who are apologists for rapists and misogynists, so I suppose he/she/they could be.

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We don’t. But their reasons around the trans issue are indicative that they are.

ThenUm · 20/02/2025 23:58

BIossomtoes · 20/02/2025 23:55

But, as usual, it was only “banter”.Extraordinary that a woman would trot out this tired old excuse.

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Extraordinary and really, really depressing.

Whimsicalgrape · 20/02/2025 23:57

rabbitwoman · 20/02/2025 23:55

When it comes to my vote and my personal opinions I don't need a sense of fair play, do I?

I am not running for office and I don't control any kind of media platform either so the only thing I have to do fairly when it comes to voting is listen, make a decision, and put my cross in the box, yes?

Well then you've undermined any shred of credibility you had when making your point. Believe it or not, to some people a sense of fair play actually matters.

madamweb · 20/02/2025 23:57

BIossomtoes · 20/02/2025 23:55

But, as usual, it was only “banter”.Extraordinary that a woman would trot out this tired old excuse.

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We don't know whether Rabbitwoman is a woman to be fair.

But there are some women who are apologists for rapists and misogynists, so I suppose he/she/they could be.

madamweb · 20/02/2025 23:55

Whimsicalgrape · 20/02/2025 23:53

What genuinely is there to "learn"? If we kowtow to the hard of thinking they'll magically stop being hard of thinking?

That's just silly.

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I think it's "if the parties on the left won't give me exactly what I think I want on every policy then I'll vote in a [catastrophic decoupling from Europe/fascist dictatorship] because they have said one thing I sort of like the sound of and I am prepared to ignore all their less wholesome messages

rabbitwoman · 20/02/2025 23:55

When it comes to my vote and my personal opinions I don't need a sense of fair play, do I?

I am not running for office and I don't control any kind of media platform either so the only thing I have to do fairly when it comes to voting is listen, make a decision, and put my cross in the box, yes?

BIossomtoes · 20/02/2025 23:55

ThenUm · 20/02/2025 23:36

He was recorded bragging about grabbing pussy. No bias. No relying on reporters. COLD. HARD. FACT.

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But, as usual, it was only “banter”.Extraordinary that a woman would trot out this tired old excuse.

Whimsicalgrape · 20/02/2025 23:54

Also if my arguments don't hold up to scrutiny, I don't double down on it, I question it/myself. So no, I'm not "fine with it". People who vote for fascists would do well to try it in future.

Whimsicalgrape · 20/02/2025 23:53

rabbitwoman · 20/02/2025 23:51

Yes. It's Brexit all over again. Shame lessons weren't learnt then, hey!!

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What genuinely is there to "learn"? If we kowtow to the hard of thinking they'll magically stop being hard of thinking?

That's just silly.

madamweb · 20/02/2025 23:53

Whimsicalgrape · 20/02/2025 23:48

It's brexit all over again. Fingers in ears. "La la la la la can't hear you". And somehow we're to blame for that. Gaslighting on an epic scale.

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It's so like Brexit. And like with Brexit the people who voted for it will probably mainly be in the demographic that will suffer the most.