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To think that now is the time for powerful voices to speak up…

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Alifemoreordinary123 · 20/02/2025 20:14

I’m not highly educated or hugely politically savvy. But like many people, I’m horrified by Trump and Musk’s approach, propaganda and ideology. It’s increasingly possibly they will take the world to a very dark place. I keep thinking, surely there are enough counter powers - people with power and influence, leaders from business, media, the arts, politics across the Western world to try and counter some of their rhetoric. I’m not naive to the immense power they hold, but surely reason, sense, logic and hope will win over?

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ExtraOnions · 20/02/2025 20:25

All the heads of the independent regulators in the US, now have to report into Trump. There is now no effective regulation - they can do what they want, with no-one to hold them to account.

The people who voted will learn, the hard way.

Best thing we can do is to work around them.. closer links to Europe, Canada, Australia etc.

Let them be isolationist.

Donotwantnot · 20/02/2025 20:25

ThenUm · 20/02/2025 20:23

You are wrong and the parallels between now and the start of WWII are frightening. It’s very dangerous rhetoric.

Yes, you’re right - over in the Middle East it’s chilling how similar it it is to WWII. While over on campuses, safe and warm, a bunch of stuck-up college students have been cheering on Hamas.

Nothing to do with Trump!

Ablondiebutagoody · 20/02/2025 20:25

Alifemoreordinary123 · 20/02/2025 20:21

@Ablondiebutagoody is he though?
I thought he’d just suggested the Ukraine started a war with Russia?

Who cares what he says? The end result is that the US will stop funding the Ukrainian war effort. Time for other countries to step up.........
No. Thought not. So Trump is a monster for withdrawing, but literally not one single other country is willing to do it without him.

ThenUm · 20/02/2025 20:24

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

ThenUm · 20/02/2025 20:23

Donotwantnot · 20/02/2025 20:21

I wish our government was being as forthright as Trump and Co are. I’m cheering them on. It’s world changing, yes. But in a good way.

What exactly do you object to? Cost cutting? Reducing financial waste? Stopping fraud? Efficiency?

You are wrong and the parallels between now and the start of WWII are frightening. It’s very dangerous rhetoric.

Donotwantnot · 20/02/2025 20:23

StSwithinsDay · 20/02/2025 20:22

It’s world changing, yes. But in a good way.

Really? Appeasing Putin is a good thing?

Are you that shortsighted, really?

The war was going on and on and on and on. It was costing the U.S. a fortune.

You keep your enemies close.

StSwithinsDay · 20/02/2025 20:22

It’s world changing, yes. But in a good way.

Really? Appeasing Putin is a good thing?

ThenUm · 20/02/2025 20:21

Alifemoreordinary123 · 20/02/2025 20:21

@Ablondiebutagoody is he though?
I thought he’d just suggested the Ukraine started a war with Russia?

You are correct.

Donotwantnot · 20/02/2025 20:21

I wish our government was being as forthright as Trump and Co are. I’m cheering them on. It’s world changing, yes. But in a good way.

What exactly do you object to? Cost cutting? Reducing financial waste? Stopping fraud? Efficiency?

Alifemoreordinary123 · 20/02/2025 20:21

@Ablondiebutagoody is he though?
I thought he’d just suggested the Ukraine started a war with Russia?

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ThenUm · 20/02/2025 20:21

Ablondiebutagoody · 20/02/2025 20:19

Trump is just withdrawing the US from (expensive) stuff that he doesn't think they should be involved in. Totally fair enough. Every other country in the World can step in to fill the void if they want to.

That’s not all he is doing though is it?

Ablondiebutagoody · 20/02/2025 20:19

Trump is just withdrawing the US from (expensive) stuff that he doesn't think they should be involved in. Totally fair enough. Every other country in the World can step in to fill the void if they want to.

ThenUm · 20/02/2025 20:18

Edited to say; The ‘First they came for’ poem was here but it disappeared when I posted.

This ☝️

ThenUm · 20/02/2025 20:17

You are 100% right. If we’d not acquiesced at first to Hitler I wonder what would have happened.