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Would you pay more tax to boost defence spending

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trainermush · 20/02/2025 17:42

Obviously we are now in a more precarious position & defence spending has been underfunded for some time. RR had just said we need to spend more money & she will but without breaking her fiscal rules,

"So we will stick to our fiscal rules. But recognising the priority of defence spending in the world that we live in today means that we will have to make difficult choices so that we can spend that money that is needed to keep our country safe."

Mulling it over & even though I think I pay enough tax I would pay more each month towards this (cut back in other areas) as opposed to labour cutting back on something else. I guess thinking about my dc & other loved ones has changed my mind somewhat now things appear more bleak. What do others think?
Conscription of young people terrifies me even though my dc are too young.

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Farellyo · 20/02/2025 20:30

To be honest it makes sense to invest more in defence for future stability and so as not to be affected as much by the whim of others. It should be done strategically though to also benefit and compliment other facets of life:

  • investment in growing and developing British industry should be the primary avenue for any investment or purchases before branching out wider only if really needed.

  • increase reservists but also enhance the 'offer' by offering apprentiship degrees for say nursing etc so you have both a pool of military trained people who have more of a work/life balance than regulars and whom also are then enhancing the nations pool of integral professionals (and also trades such as plumbing etc).

Etc

Rather than just heres billions to random companies that submitted the lowest bid.

EasternStandard · 20/02/2025 20:30

HermioneWeasley · 20/02/2025 20:23

No, not a penny more in tax until all public spending has been thoroughly reviewed. There is so much waste.

I get the sense they'd love to use an excuse since in a hole

I don't trust it as a way out of that

Esmeraldaemerald · 20/02/2025 20:29

trainermush · 20/02/2025 20:27

@MissConductUS so it's the long game.

3-5 years for the UK and the EU to rearm - back to the Cold War

BIossomtoes · 20/02/2025 20:29

HermioneWeasley · 20/02/2025 20:23

No, not a penny more in tax until all public spending has been thoroughly reviewed. There is so much waste.

There isn’t time for that.

Thoughtsonstuff · 20/02/2025 20:29

Wildflowers99 · 20/02/2025 20:27

Yes I would but (as we discussed on other thread) only once they’ve agreed to address our frightening welfare bill. If it carries on growing at the current rate any extra tax will be swallowed up anyway. I propose PIP/DLA are significantly reduced, a household total benefits cap of 25k is introduced, and the triple lock is reversed.

Labour aren't the government that will be able to do that. Even if they wanted to. It would be impossible for them. They are the wrong government at the wrong time.

Wildflowers99 · 20/02/2025 20:27

Yes I would but (as we discussed on other thread) only once they’ve agreed to address our frightening welfare bill. If it carries on growing at the current rate any extra tax will be swallowed up anyway. I propose PIP/DLA are significantly reduced, a household total benefits cap of 25k is introduced, and the triple lock is reversed.

trainermush · 20/02/2025 20:27

@MissConductUS so it's the long game.

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Thoughtsonstuff · 20/02/2025 20:26

PrimitivePerson · 20/02/2025 20:16

The answer to that is no-one.

I recently worked with a guy who used to be in the Army, and he follows military developments very closely. He reckons the Russian economy and war machine is a year max from complete collapse. They're conscripting North Koreans, FFS!

I think that's wishful thinking. Particularly now Trump seems to be turning away from NATO. Remember inter war Germany was on its knees and it was smaller and had far less resources than Russia does now. Plus China is only holding off from all out support of Russia due to the US and also historic wariness but it may.be at some point they change their mind and think they would gain more from supporting Russia attacking the West. Same as India. India aren't on our side. They aren't on Russias either obviously but that might change.

MissConductUS · 20/02/2025 20:24

I recently worked with a guy who used to be in the Army, and he follows military developments very closely. He reckons the Russian economy and war machine is a year max from complete collapse. They're conscripting North Koreans, FFS!

I served in the U.S. Army, and I also follow military developments very closely. He's right, Russia is not a short term threat. But by putting their economy on a war footing, Putin can rebuild their Army in 3-5 years and be a real threat again. And their economy will only collapse if the west increases sanctions and Ukraine keeps fighting full tilt, both of which are unlikely.

Scammersarescum · 20/02/2025 20:23

Absolutely happy to pay more towards defence.

We can't rely on the USA.

We need a strong European military force.

We also needs to rejoin the EU.

HermioneWeasley · 20/02/2025 20:23

No, not a penny more in tax until all public spending has been thoroughly reviewed. There is so much waste.

Potsofpetals · 20/02/2025 20:22

we should learn to mind our own business. Switzerland sits in the middle of Europe, land locked and pissing nobody off.

Every child should do national service at the end of their education and we should have the defence needed to deter everyone in weapons alone but we should not be sending our kids to fight other peoples wars.

We’ve spent 30 years fucking around in the Middle East for what?

Esmeraldaemerald · 20/02/2025 20:21

KeyWorker · 20/02/2025 20:09

Don’t scare your children with such suggestions.

We aren’t a family that put our heads in the sand thanks

trainermush · 20/02/2025 20:20

mean we can.

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trainermush · 20/02/2025 20:20

And the US has a population of 340m & is the richest country in the world $140/150 trillion so just because they tax non residents doesn't me we can.

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Talonz · 20/02/2025 20:19

Thoughtsonstuff · 20/02/2025 20:17

Well, possibly it will be a country run by an aggressive kleptocratic dictator who is spending over 50% of GDP on rearming itself, has a vast nuclear arsenal, and who is invading it's neighbours, wants to reassert its power, is fiddling with our North Sea power cables, poisoning people in this country, buzzing it's planes in our airspace to see how we react and doing cyber attacks. A country that isnt very far from us.

Well said. Exactly that!

And it is a country on the same land mass and could be supported by Iran and China if WW3 breaks out. Russia is sitting on vast natural resources - significantly larger than Ukraine's so it can always pay its way.

EasternStandard · 20/02/2025 20:19

MumblesParty · 20/02/2025 20:12

Can someone explain to me who is going to invade us? I’ve not followed the news much lately, and I can’t bear to read anything that involves Trump or Putin.

It's a fair question

No one probably. But it's a good idea to up defence spending at this point

Lettuceandbroccolisoup · 20/02/2025 20:17

MumblesParty · 20/02/2025 20:12

Can someone explain to me who is going to invade us? I’ve not followed the news much lately, and I can’t bear to read anything that involves Trump or Putin.

The last invasion I heard about was the Asian Hornets. Not good news if you are a bee, and they sting humans as well...

Thoughtsonstuff · 20/02/2025 20:17

MumblesParty · 20/02/2025 20:12

Can someone explain to me who is going to invade us? I’ve not followed the news much lately, and I can’t bear to read anything that involves Trump or Putin.

Well, possibly it will be a country run by an aggressive kleptocratic dictator who is spending over 50% of GDP on rearming itself, has a vast nuclear arsenal, and who is invading it's neighbours, wants to reassert its power, is fiddling with our North Sea power cables, poisoning people in this country, buzzing it's planes in our airspace to see how we react and doing cyber attacks. A country that isnt very far from us.

MissConductUS · 20/02/2025 20:16

trainermush · 20/02/2025 20:12

I don’t think Labour are greedy and unprincipled, or in the pockets of the corporations etc.

So why don’t they just tax them, like everyone talks about on here? What’s stopping them?

Because governments want businesses to invest in their country, create jobs, blah, blah, blah. Plus we have competition literally on our doorstep, look at how much Ireland has changed its economy with their low corporation tax.

Correct. The core problem is inadequate economic growth. The UK is trying to slice a pie that isn't growing. Government policies undermine productivity and investment. Germany and most of Europe are in the same situation.

trainermush · 20/02/2025 20:16

stop the boats

Bingo, although it took longer than I thought.

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PrimitivePerson · 20/02/2025 20:16

MumblesParty · 20/02/2025 20:12

Can someone explain to me who is going to invade us? I’ve not followed the news much lately, and I can’t bear to read anything that involves Trump or Putin.

The answer to that is no-one.

I recently worked with a guy who used to be in the Army, and he follows military developments very closely. He reckons the Russian economy and war machine is a year max from complete collapse. They're conscripting North Koreans, FFS!

Itsmyopinion · 20/02/2025 20:15

No we pay enough crippling taxes as it is - government need to stop foreign aid and stop the boats and use this money to fund UK defence

Alexandra2001 · 20/02/2025 20:15

Lettuceandbroccolisoup · 20/02/2025 20:10

@TemporaryPosition Do we need to have such an adversarial relationship with Russia? Really?

I agree.
People forget they supported us in WW2 while Italy aligned with Germany.

You can blame Merkel for that poor relationship with Russia - she wanted to create an EU Army to go and poke the Russian Bear.

Yes we do, they are our enemy, just a few months ago, he threatened to se nuclear weapons, have you forgotten?

Merkel did more to bring in Russia from the cold, than almost anyone.

Why shouldn't europe have an army, pity we didn't listen, the Yanks have decided to pull up the draw bridge, leaving us with no time to prepare.

Some ally!!!

Talonz · 20/02/2025 20:14

PrimitivePerson · 20/02/2025 20:09

Absolutely not. Funny how there's always enough to spend on weapons but not public services.

You are joking? What does the other £1.1 trillion raised go on then?

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