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Should I report my cousin's benefit fraud?

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GreatAmberSnake · 20/02/2025 09:35

Hi everyone - I'm having a bit of a moral dilemma and looking to get everyone's opinions.

My M34 cousin doesn't work, he claims PIP. I'm not that familiar with how it works but he says he's on the highest level available, and there's even talk of him getting given a car. He openly boasts at every opportunity about the extreme exaggerations and outright lies he put on his PIP application, and calls me and other members of the family idiots for working when we could just get our money from PIP like he does.

If they investigated him they would easily find that some of his lies don't add up. I believe he genuinely does have depression and anxiety, but he has no physical issues. He said he put things like his partner needs to dress him in the morning (he split from his partner a couple of years ago), needs to wear velcro shoes as he can't tie laces etc. A home visit would show up some of his lies, and a call to the school (he's a weekend Dad but sometimes picks up/drops off his sons) or the Police (he's been arrested for drug offences a couple of times) would be further proof.

The main thing stopping me from reporting him is his depression. He has attempted suicide on at least one occasion, and I fear that a potential prison sentence for fraud could send him into a spiral. Even if no-one found out it was me, I really don't want that on my conscience.

If he didn't boast all the time I would just ignore it, it's not like it affects me directly, but it just winds me up every time he goes on about. Grrrr!! I do try to minimise contact with him but sometimes it's easier said than done. If he gets this car I think he'll become even more unbearable 😡

Help! What would you do?

OP posts:
Julen7 · 21/02/2025 22:09

CatherineDurrant · 21/02/2025 22:01

Report him.

There are 37,400,000 taxpayers in this country and it's fraud on each and every one of them, not to mention grossly offensive to those who struggle each day with a disability and genuinely need PIP to survive.

Oh God I agree but the next post will be “oh it makes no difference to you personally”…err yes it does. Fradulent claims impact each and every one of us.

WaitingForMojo · 21/02/2025 22:08

warmcatsofa · 21/02/2025 21:59

It’s fairly obvious that I disagree that mobility issues caused by non physical reasons (inability to plan or follow a route , anxiety , depression ) should entitle a person to higher rate mobility. The system is flawed (in my opinion ) and only physically disabled people should receive a mobility car. It’s okay that we disagree though, it’s really not that deep.

Ohhhh, I see.

You think that neurodevelopmental differences / mental health needs aren’t as ‘real’ as physical disabilities? I see.

What about learning difficulties? Should someone with profound learning disabilities be entitled to higher rate mobility? When they have no understanding or ability to go out independently, are completely reliant on others to make journeys, but can physically walk, even run?

What about uncontrolled epilepsy, where someone can’t go out and about safely or without a carer?

What about someone with a psychotic illness, who’s so out of touch with reality that they don’t recognise their surroundings?

Soneone with a brain injury who can’t navigate?

Someone autistic without a sense of danger, who needs full supervision and is liable to run into traffic?

These people shouldn’t be awarded enhanced mobility. Ok, then.

It actually is ‘that deep’, when you’re playing disability too trumps and pitting disabled people against one another, dividing into deserving and undeserving categories, as well as minimising and stigmatising certain disabilities.

CatherineDurrant · 21/02/2025 22:01

Report him.

There are 37,400,000 taxpayers in this country and it's fraud on each and every one of them, not to mention grossly offensive to those who struggle each day with a disability and genuinely need PIP to survive.

warmcatsofa · 21/02/2025 21:59

WaitingForMojo · 21/02/2025 21:51

That’s ok then, because you aren’t entitled to a motability car if you have no mobility issues. To be eligible for motability, you need to be on the enhanced rate of the mobility component of PIP, which means that you have very significant mobility issues, either as a result of difficulty physically getting around, or ability to plan and follow a journey.

Glad we’re on the same page.

It’s fairly obvious that I disagree that mobility issues caused by non physical reasons (inability to plan or follow a route , anxiety , depression ) should entitle a person to higher rate mobility. The system is flawed (in my opinion ) and only physically disabled people should receive a mobility car. It’s okay that we disagree though, it’s really not that deep.

XenoBitch · 21/02/2025 21:56

warmcatsofa · 21/02/2025 21:46

That is correct. I don’t believe you should be entitled to a mobility car if you have no mobility issues. Next question ?

If you get the enhanced rate for mobility on PIP, then you can swap the payment
for a car.
It is very hard to get this element for MH issues, but not impossible. The people who get it are absolutely entitled, and I hope having a car helps them have a life towards the normal that non-disabled people take for granted.

WaitingForMojo · 21/02/2025 21:51

warmcatsofa · 21/02/2025 21:46

That is correct. I don’t believe you should be entitled to a mobility car if you have no mobility issues. Next question ?

That’s ok then, because you aren’t entitled to a motability car if you have no mobility issues. To be eligible for motability, you need to be on the enhanced rate of the mobility component of PIP, which means that you have very significant mobility issues, either as a result of difficulty physically getting around, or ability to plan and follow a journey.

Glad we’re on the same page.

XenoBitch · 21/02/2025 21:50

warmcatsofa · 21/02/2025 21:44

You never hear a wheelchair user whimpering about how many ‘spoons’ they have left for the day.

WTF is it with these spoons and never ending sob stories of chronic illnesses (none of which can be proven or misproven with a scan of course)

We’ve allowed a section of society to become entitled victims , rather than encouraging self determination and a bit of get up and go. Rant over 😁

The government is coming after the disabled, and here you are trying pit different groups of disabled people against each other. What is your motive?
Maybe ask why there is a rise in MH issues, especially amongst the young.

And I do know wheelchair users who use spoon theory, because some people are in a wheelchair and also have MH issues/are ND.

LadyKenya · 21/02/2025 21:50

So many posters showing their contempt, and total ignorance to boot.

WaitingForMojo · 21/02/2025 21:48

Greenwallpinkwall · 21/02/2025 21:21

No it’s doesn’t require medical evidence unfortunately

Erm, it really does!

There is so much bullshit on this thread, it’s like Daily Mail Bingo!

warmcatsofa · 21/02/2025 21:46

XenoBitch · 21/02/2025 21:38

PIP is not an out of work benefit.
And I see you now... you don't think MH issues warrant benefits, or that they can be disabling.

That is correct. I don’t believe you should be entitled to a mobility car if you have no mobility issues. Next question ?

LadyKenya · 21/02/2025 21:45

This is much needed. Getting a mobility car for anxiety and depression is a slap in the face to those who have actual mobility issues.

I fail to see why though. Those people being awarded enhanced mobility for anxiety, or depression, does not affect the outcome of those with mobility issues, and a person could have all three conditions.

warmcatsofa · 21/02/2025 21:44

You never hear a wheelchair user whimpering about how many ‘spoons’ they have left for the day.

WTF is it with these spoons and never ending sob stories of chronic illnesses (none of which can be proven or misproven with a scan of course)

We’ve allowed a section of society to become entitled victims , rather than encouraging self determination and a bit of get up and go. Rant over 😁

LadyKenya · 21/02/2025 21:39

Julen7 · 21/02/2025 21:30

No idea but doubt this will be their main focus.

It needs to be part of their focus, if they want to talk about bringing down some of the welfare bill.

XenoBitch · 21/02/2025 21:38

warmcatsofa · 21/02/2025 21:35

It affects society as a whole. Our benefits system has turned thousands of people into lazy job shy home bodies while actual disabled people are paid a pittance.

PIP is not an out of work benefit.
And I see you now... you don't think MH issues warrant benefits, or that they can be disabling.

warmcatsofa · 21/02/2025 21:35

XenoBitch · 21/02/2025 21:31

Other people getting a car does not affect you though.

It affects society as a whole. Our benefits system has turned thousands of people into lazy job shy home bodies while actual disabled people are paid a pittance.

XenoBitch · 21/02/2025 21:31

warmcatsofa · 21/02/2025 21:28

This is much needed. Getting a mobility car for anxiety and depression is a slap in the face to those who have actual mobility issues. And no I’m not talking about the thousands of middle aged women struck down by Fibromyalgia who suddenly appear to need a walking stick (and PIP)

Other people getting a car does not affect you though.

Julen7 · 21/02/2025 21:30

LadyKenya · 21/02/2025 21:25

Good. Hopefully they will look at the quality of some of the people doing the assessments, leading to wrong awards, which people are then having to appeal, which is costing much more financially, for the mistakes that they keep making.

No idea but doubt this will be their main focus.

Meadowland · 21/02/2025 21:29

YANBU. Report.

warmcatsofa · 21/02/2025 21:28

Buttheads · 21/02/2025 21:07

I think they might be removing Pip for mental health issues and changes to UC but this will be announced in the next few weeks.
Scary times

This is much needed. Getting a mobility car for anxiety and depression is a slap in the face to those who have actual mobility issues. And no I’m not talking about the thousands of middle aged women struck down by Fibromyalgia who suddenly appear to need a walking stick (and PIP)

LadyKenya · 21/02/2025 21:25

Julen7 · 21/02/2025 21:20

They are about to.

Good. Hopefully they will look at the quality of some of the people doing the assessments, leading to wrong awards, which people are then having to appeal, which is costing much more financially, for the mistakes that they keep making.

Greenwallpinkwall · 21/02/2025 21:21

CeeJay81 · 20/02/2025 09:45

This. Pip needs medical evidence from a doc/specialist etc. Has he lied to them too? Im not sure how, if he is saying he has physical issues. If they haven't uncovered him yet, they will when he gets reassessed surely. Pup is often reassess after a few years unless you have a very serious condition.

No it’s doesn’t require medical evidence unfortunately

Julen7 · 21/02/2025 21:20

LadyKenya · 21/02/2025 21:19

Rubbish, if the poster is eligible for PIP, they will be awarded no matter what others are getting. The Government has not even outlined exactly what they are going to be doing with PIP either, as yet.

They are about to.

XenoBitch · 21/02/2025 21:19

Buttheads · 21/02/2025 21:07

I think they might be removing Pip for mental health issues and changes to UC but this will be announced in the next few weeks.
Scary times

I hope not. I know many people who claim PIP for MH reasons. They use it to fund things like private therapy.

LadyKenya · 21/02/2025 21:19

Julen7 · 21/02/2025 20:30

It sort of does because it’s due to the huge number of people claiming that the govt say they are going to slash benefits

Rubbish, if the poster is eligible for PIP, they will be awarded no matter what others are getting. The Government has not even outlined exactly what they are going to be doing with PIP either, as yet.

warmcatsofa · 21/02/2025 21:17

Don’t bother. People who know how to work the system properly will never lose their benefits. They know what and how to say the required things to qualify for PIP. It will just cause you anxiety and nothing will come of it.

Until there is a complete overhaul of the benefits system (and I don’t believe there ever will be) a certain element of society will continue to scrounge. It’s a sad life though and I don’t envy them.