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Should I report my cousin's benefit fraud?

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GreatAmberSnake · 20/02/2025 09:35

Hi everyone - I'm having a bit of a moral dilemma and looking to get everyone's opinions.

My M34 cousin doesn't work, he claims PIP. I'm not that familiar with how it works but he says he's on the highest level available, and there's even talk of him getting given a car. He openly boasts at every opportunity about the extreme exaggerations and outright lies he put on his PIP application, and calls me and other members of the family idiots for working when we could just get our money from PIP like he does.

If they investigated him they would easily find that some of his lies don't add up. I believe he genuinely does have depression and anxiety, but he has no physical issues. He said he put things like his partner needs to dress him in the morning (he split from his partner a couple of years ago), needs to wear velcro shoes as he can't tie laces etc. A home visit would show up some of his lies, and a call to the school (he's a weekend Dad but sometimes picks up/drops off his sons) or the Police (he's been arrested for drug offences a couple of times) would be further proof.

The main thing stopping me from reporting him is his depression. He has attempted suicide on at least one occasion, and I fear that a potential prison sentence for fraud could send him into a spiral. Even if no-one found out it was me, I really don't want that on my conscience.

If he didn't boast all the time I would just ignore it, it's not like it affects me directly, but it just winds me up every time he goes on about. Grrrr!! I do try to minimise contact with him but sometimes it's easier said than done. If he gets this car I think he'll become even more unbearable 😡

Help! What would you do?

OP posts:
ParsnipPuree · 20/02/2025 12:48

0ohLarLar · 20/02/2025 12:37

Oh and lot of the "medical evidence" for mental health claims in particular is based on self reported symptoms. If you tell your gp you have all the symptoms of depression or anxiety, they are probably going to affirm that. So its perfectly possible to exaggerate.

This.

Toastandbutterand · 20/02/2025 12:47

Jaehee · 20/02/2025 09:54

Are you sure he’s not just saying these things because he’s embarrassed about his issues?

Had he always boasted about things and exaggerated?

I wouldn’t report him because it sounds like he’s making it up, and from how you’ve described him he doesn’t sound altogether well.

This x 100!

I always down play my disabilities to others.

ParsnipPuree · 20/02/2025 12:47

PandoraSox · 20/02/2025 12:13

My DH get PIP. We spend it on booze n fans n a big telly. My DH fooled the silly DWP into thinking he has an incurable MND. So easy to fake. Suckers!

The whole point is most people want to make people like your dh's life more bearable and not give it to those who defraud the system.

Katemax82 · 20/02/2025 12:46

Coconutter24 · 20/02/2025 12:38

I was just wondering if your advice was to ignore him let him carry on claiming without reporting him because if you read your original comment it sounds like you think it’s ok for him to do what he’s doing just because he isn’t rolling in it

With regards to reporting him i couldn't say, it's completely ops call, however I do agree it's unfair some people have to jump through hoops to get awarded pip

scanni · 20/02/2025 12:44

Well he needs to provide evidence, you don't just tell them you can't do things and get PIP. Since he is so open about it all, why don't you ask him how he evidenced his claim?

whynotwhatknot · 20/02/2025 12:43

ddont expet him to be found out or stopped-i reporte someone who use to brag about all the benefits they were on and bragging about how they put it on about mh an nothing happene no proof

RampantIvy · 20/02/2025 12:43

Serpentstooth · 20/02/2025 10:03

Your cousin must be thrilled to have a medically qualified family member like you, able to out-diagnose medical professionals. Perhaps you could mind your own buiness rather than his? Leave him alone, he is unwell and you simply sound jealous.

Oh come on.
Who would be jealous of someone with such poor mental health that they need to claim PIP?

That is a ridiculous claim.

Wendolino · 20/02/2025 12:41

Coffeeishot · 20/02/2025 12:20

Not 1 bit.

Why would op lie about it being a cousin?

Purplebunnie · 20/02/2025 12:40

DoodleSquad · 20/02/2025 12:35

@Purplebunnie

I work in the counter compliance and fraud department at DWP. You may have a moral obligation to report but you will not lose your job if you don't. This is a ridiculous thing to claim will happen.

You weren't there at my job interview

OwlInTheOak · 20/02/2025 12:39

No way would I report. It may be found out anyway, but you don't want it on your conscience that the trigger was caused by you.
Realistically it doesn't matter, its a drop in the ocean of overall government spending. And given the suicide attempt it sounds like he likely would qualify if we had a better set up welfare system, or if we had a better society and health care system he wouldn't be in the state he is in.

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 20/02/2025 12:38

Themagicfarawaytreeismyfav · 20/02/2025 10:36

Op you will undoubtedly get the posters on here telling you that PIP is really hard to claim and he couldn't possibly be committing benefit fraud ( it really isnt... my dc has it and has never provided any evidence or been checked). But the fact is that people like this are taking valuable resources from others who actually deserve it! Maybe having a job would even help his mental health.

PIP and getting a job are not connected. PIP is to cover some of the cost of the disability (eg wheelchair, adapted vehicle, etc) and has nothing to do with whether I jot you are working. It’s incapacity benefit (or whatever they call it now) that is if you are unable to work due to disability or long term illness.

Coconutter24 · 20/02/2025 12:38

Katemax82 · 20/02/2025 12:21

My advice? I'm just pointing out the bit about "getting a car" isn't simply being given a car. I'm a bit defensive of motability cars because some idiot on the daily mail was slagging off parents who have kids with add who get "free brand new cars" and should get an old banger instead

I was just wondering if your advice was to ignore him let him carry on claiming without reporting him because if you read your original comment it sounds like you think it’s ok for him to do what he’s doing just because he isn’t rolling in it

0ohLarLar · 20/02/2025 12:37

Oh and lot of the "medical evidence" for mental health claims in particular is based on self reported symptoms. If you tell your gp you have all the symptoms of depression or anxiety, they are probably going to affirm that. So its perfectly possible to exaggerate.

ThisOldThang · 20/02/2025 12:37

DoodleSquad · 20/02/2025 12:35

@Purplebunnie

I work in the counter compliance and fraud department at DWP. You may have a moral obligation to report but you will not lose your job if you don't. This is a ridiculous thing to claim will happen.

You should lose your job.

I work for a bank. If I knew somebody was defrauding the bank and I didn't report it, it would show a lack of integrity and I would be deemed unsuitable for employment.

FoolishHips · 20/02/2025 12:36

The thing is, PIP is almost impossible to obtain if you don't maximise every little thing. He may be boasting about it but really he should be outraged that it's so difficult to get.

Is he neurodivergent and not realising that so many people are against the welfare state? It probably doesn't occur to him that people would be vile enough to report a person who obviously has very serious mental health problems. I think you'd be extremely mean to report him when really you know nothing of his day to day struggles. You are only seeing a very small slice of his life.

And if you spend time on here you posted knowing full well that you would receive validation and then you could report him with a clear conscience. (So do try to be a bit more self aware.) So I'm here to say shame on you for even thinking it.

Spottydogtoo · 20/02/2025 12:36

Yes, report

Coconutter24 · 20/02/2025 12:35

Wintersgirl · 20/02/2025 11:57

Well exactly, multiply that by a few thousand people around the UK doing the same as the OPs cousin then it adds up to a tidy sum...

Edited

But that doesn’t make it ok to do just because thousands of others are. Imagine how much better our country would be if we only gave money to those that genuinely need it and not the thousands fraudulently claiming

LadyKenya · 20/02/2025 12:35

mydogisthebest · 20/02/2025 12:03

I doubt if he would be investigated.

My neighbour has been claiming for 2 years on the basis that his depression and anxiety are so bad he cannot leave the house. He in fact leaves the house almost every day. He works cash in hand Monday to Friday and he also goes shopping, walks his dogs, goes out with his girlfriend.

I have reported him numerous times and nothing whatsoever has happened

So stop reporting then, and do something else with your time, something beneficial. If there was any wrongdoing going on, it would have been dealt with. So the fact that nothing has changed, should tell you all you need to know.

DoodleSquad · 20/02/2025 12:35

@Purplebunnie

I work in the counter compliance and fraud department at DWP. You may have a moral obligation to report but you will not lose your job if you don't. This is a ridiculous thing to claim will happen.

Anonforthis58 · 20/02/2025 12:33

PandoraSox · 20/02/2025 11:54

If he gets this car I think he'll become even more unbearable

If he has no physical issues @GreatAmberSnake he won't be getting the higher rate mobility component so won't qualify to lease a car from Motability. I hope that sets your mind at rest.

I am so sorry you have to endure his boasting about fraudulently claiming.

There are so many mumsnetters who have relatives/friends/neighbours/hairdressers/plumbers/sister's husband's cousin's wives who openly boast about defrauding the benefits system. It is quite astounding.

Edited

OP has said he gets higher rate for everything, so actually will be entitled to a car. He will have to give up his mobility payment for this.

Purplebunnie · 20/02/2025 12:32

DoodleSquad · 20/02/2025 12:30

I work for the DWP and this is literally not true. No one is going to lose their job because they didn't report! How reckless of you to say this!

Worked in fraud department at local council and absolutely would have lost my job if hadn't reported anyone I knew. Fortunately I was never in that position

Anonforthis58 · 20/02/2025 12:32

@theressomanytinafeysicouldbe - When you apply for PIP people tell you to describe your worst day. This is NOT true at all. You are asked categorically what you can do on good days and bad days, and asked how many good days/bad days in a week/month etc.

MrsSunshine2b · 20/02/2025 12:30

I wouldn't bother to be honest, it sounds to me like he's quite unwell and would struggle quite a lot to find and stay in work. He might not really need PIP but he definitely doesn't sound stable.

DoodleSquad · 20/02/2025 12:30

Purplebunnie · 20/02/2025 11:37

You are legally obligated to report or you're incriminated as well.

If you work for the DWP you would have to report and also if you work for the council where he is probably be claiming CTR and other benefits from. You'll lose your job if you knew and haven't reported.

Back to OP's dilemma - not sure you always get a prison sentence for benefit fraud - it's not always in the public interest to lock people up for this. He'd have to pay back what he has fraudulently claimed (if indeed he has) although it would be on a repayment plan and not a lump sum

I work for the DWP and this is literally not true. No one is going to lose their job because they didn't report! How reckless of you to say this!

MistressoftheDarkSide · 20/02/2025 12:29

PIP is not means tested and some people who are awarded it work. The money helps them to continue working.

Funny how people never want to discuss why people in full time jobs have to claim UC because their earnings don't cover the basic costs of living, and why employers don't pay enough for people with disabilities to cover their costs either.

Funny how nobody thinks the system needs a complete overhaul because end stage capitalism is out of control and the gap between rich and poor is widening exponentially.

Funny how nobody wants to discuss why councils will pay thousands a week to dodgy landlords providing sub standard temporary accommodation rather than subsidise permanent housing that would cost say a thousand a month. Funny how no-one wrings their hands about the money shuffling between various public and private agencies in the "poverty" industries, which pays for management and admin and makes little real difference to the clients of said agencies.

Funny how it's becoming such brazen sport to demonise the feckless poor who do what they do to survive, while tax dodges and brown envelopes and back scratching to appease "shareholders" is given a free pass.

So very, very funny.