Should I report my cousin's benefit fraud?

Mental health is not mental conditions - mental health might be comorbid but it’s not generally the reason that people were institutionalised.

The UC most of them will be claiming?

I didn’t say that actually

You said there should be no PIP for people with MH issues. So what are they meant to live on? Fresh air?

Ok if you want to have this argument - who are you defining as the ‘rich’. How much money do they have to have to fall into this category? Are you defining it on income or wealth (net assets)?

I don’t think you have any data on this at all but I’m interested to see what you come up with to support this assertion

Someone with disabilities would have to get a job to start with. Employers say they are disability friendly, when in reality it is little more than a tick box exercise.
Employers will always go for the most reliable people, and someone who has a chronic illness might struggle to meet that criteria as they will need time off for appointments and periods of being too unwell to work.
Also, WFH is not suitable for everyone. A friend of mine with MS (who uses a wheelchair) has has to leave her WFH job and go on benefits as she can no longer see her computer screen properly.

Obviously no one is talking about people who are actually very unwell or incapacitated 🙄

@Flipflop223 the tax laws need rewriting to stop tax being dodged. The rich do not pay as much tax as the rest of us do proportionately to the income they get. That is a fact.

The last one closed in 2010.
My great grandfather died in one in the 80s.
There was a shift to Care in the Community. Those people may no longer be in asylums, but they are too ill to work.... or they are in prison.

I know a lot about it already. I don’t need to research it. Tax avoidance is a process that individuals and entities can legally, legally I point out, undertake to reduce their tax liabilities. Let me give you some examples of things you might do - save into an ISA, make a pension contribution, undertake work via a Ltd co versus as a sole trader. Totally legitimate. Nothing at all wrong with that. Corporates do the same.

What IS the problem in the country is the entitled work shy who can absolutely work and be economically independent, but choose not to for various reasons. They are no different to the tax evading individuals and corporate entities.

Well that's not true I started my mental health nurse training in 1993 and they were still in the process of closing down the asylums a lot of the long stay patients were moved to local long stay wards I know this as I worked on one in 2004 ,or other long stay care in the community homes even in the 90,s some patients in acute wards were kept on them far longer than they should have been I worked with a few consultants psychiatrists who imo abused the mental act .

Benefit “dodgers”? Well I’m one. I suggest you research how much tax avoidance there is by huge corporations. Hope that’s boring enough for you.

Here we go again. Corporates generally stay within the law. The rich pay a lot of tax. Benefit dodgers are equally culpable. Soooo bored of this stupid argument. Just educate yourself please

Yeh let’s pick on the least fortunate in society, lazy bastards. Funny how it’s ok for big corporations to tax dodge. If they paid what they are meant to we wouldn’t be in the mess we are. The benefits bill is minuscule in comparison to the shortfall of unpaid tax

But just because you’re in a wheelchair, doesn’t mean you can’t be economically productive? WFH is a thing. Accommodations are a thing.

Me? No. I’m not in receipt of any benefit of any sort. What an odd assertion to make

Rubbish. There were no asylums post 1980s, huge gap between then and the rise in PIP claims. All this ‘literally everyone was locked up in an institution’ has to stop, it’s a weird myth that has been parroted for a while now.

Nonsense. That’s historically inaccurate. The number of people..you know what, I can’t be bothered. I’d have to teach you historical and economic research and that would take a long, long while and I can’t be bothered.

Have you ever spoken to the last generation and the one before that?

People who on are PIP are entitled to it. MH is no different. I am not talking about mild anxiety/depression. I am on about things at the severe end... the stuff no one wants to talk about and never gets mentioned in all the MH awareness stuff out there.

No, they did not get up and work in the past. They were shut away in asylums.

No! Don’t do that. Why?! Would you stand by and watch if he told you he was a pick pocket? Taking other people’s things that they had worked hard for? What about if he accessed people’s properties and stole from them? Would that be enough if he was bragging about that? What about if he said he was stealing from the elderly but not hurting them.

He’s committing theft - it’s no different to any of those scenarios. It’s not a victimless crime - it takes money away from people who really need it. People with MND. People with debilitating conditions who CANNOT work.

he isn’t in that category is he and is providing false testimony so he’s a thief. And you’re happy to stand by and watch and not report him. You’re equally culpable.

People just had to get up and work in the past. No work, no food. They didn’t get to say they can’t work because they are dealing with trauma. No wonder the older generation laughs at us.

It doesn’t work like that

Good. He deserves it completely!!

I’m so sick of this argument. The rich get richer.

its always said by people who contribute next to nothing in tax. The vast majority of the ‘rich’ contribute tens and hundreds of thousand in tax you know. Literally. Whereas the people on £10k or £20k contribute beans. Even on £30k or £40k income levels, if you have 2 children, you’ve already consumed more tax than you have paid. These people are being subsidised by other people who earn more.

But yet they whinge about the rich not payingn their taxes when it’s them that are being heavily subsidised. It’s just lack of education of course but they don’t get it and spout this nonsense to make themselves feel better.

Of course benefit frauds should be jailed. They are cheats.

She gets justice! It’s the right thing to do