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Should I report my cousin's benefit fraud?

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GreatAmberSnake · 20/02/2025 09:35

Hi everyone - I'm having a bit of a moral dilemma and looking to get everyone's opinions.

My M34 cousin doesn't work, he claims PIP. I'm not that familiar with how it works but he says he's on the highest level available, and there's even talk of him getting given a car. He openly boasts at every opportunity about the extreme exaggerations and outright lies he put on his PIP application, and calls me and other members of the family idiots for working when we could just get our money from PIP like he does.

If they investigated him they would easily find that some of his lies don't add up. I believe he genuinely does have depression and anxiety, but he has no physical issues. He said he put things like his partner needs to dress him in the morning (he split from his partner a couple of years ago), needs to wear velcro shoes as he can't tie laces etc. A home visit would show up some of his lies, and a call to the school (he's a weekend Dad but sometimes picks up/drops off his sons) or the Police (he's been arrested for drug offences a couple of times) would be further proof.

The main thing stopping me from reporting him is his depression. He has attempted suicide on at least one occasion, and I fear that a potential prison sentence for fraud could send him into a spiral. Even if no-one found out it was me, I really don't want that on my conscience.

If he didn't boast all the time I would just ignore it, it's not like it affects me directly, but it just winds me up every time he goes on about. Grrrr!! I do try to minimise contact with him but sometimes it's easier said than done. If he gets this car I think he'll become even more unbearable 😡

Help! What would you do?

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LadyKenya · 20/02/2025 14:48

It just infuriates me how people like my ds who need life long care, are incapable of doing anything for themself, and can’t even communicate for that matter, are awarded the same or less than someone who has a normal life and has forged a load of shite.

It is best to concentrate on your own circumstances, and level of award. You only really know your own difficulties, and not other people's.

GabbySolisX · 20/02/2025 14:42

This its disgusting. I agree with PP, the liars are getting it handed to them and actual people in need, who tell the truth and almost minimise their own struggles, have to go to tribunal and often don’t get what they’re entitled to.
My DS is one of them unfortunately. Tribunal is absolutely soul destroying. I wish they would just do a lengthy home assessment for everyone who applies, to weed out all the bullshitters. I know this isn’t possible, but surely something could be done. It just infuriates me how people like my ds who need life long care, are incapable of doing anything for themself, and can’t even communicate for that matter, are awarded the same or less than someone who has a normal life and has forged a load of shite.

MarioSis · 20/02/2025 14:40

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LadyKenya · 20/02/2025 14:40

mydogisthebest · 20/02/2025 14:30

Not sure why you care. Do you know my neighbour or maybe you are doing something similar!

Edited

It is more that I care about nosy people with no clue, getting involved, and reporting people, not just once, but multiple times, and still not getting it. If he were being fraudulent, it would have been looked into, and dealt with. It is pointless engaging any further with you, so Good day.

Zusammengebrochen · 20/02/2025 14:32

Things that didn't happen, episode 3065.

Greeherbs · 20/02/2025 14:31

It’s always very amusing when someone reports for wrongdoing without having any of the facts about the claim. That might explain why nothing has been done.

mydogisthebest · 20/02/2025 14:30

LadyKenya · 20/02/2025 14:26

Wow, so much energy being invested in watching your neighbour, oh dear.

Not sure why you care. Do you know my neighbour or maybe you are doing something similar!

mydogisthebest · 20/02/2025 14:30

scanni · 20/02/2025 14:24

@mydogisthebest

If his claim is based on him not being able to work why on earth do you think it ok for him to work cash in hand 5 days a week?

NOBODY'S PIP claim is based on not being able to work. Not a single persons.

When did I say he was getting PIP? I said benefits

mydogisthebest · 20/02/2025 14:29

MistressoftheDarkSide · 20/02/2025 13:02

And your qualifications for that assertion are???

You're very close to suggesting these conditions don't exist with a comment like that. I mean, if you have groundbreaking research that proves that several hundred years of medical research has been fabricated for shits and giggles, we're all dying to hear it. Plenty of psychiatrists and doctors would need to be struck off for creating delusional diagnoses, which would be a whole can of worms. And the pharmaceutical industry would collapse.

Let me guess - it's all about resilience, having a bath, going for a walk and eating a banana in your books.

Of all the asinine comments I've seen on here, yours is in the top ten.

Of course depression/anxiety exist. I have suffered both in the past.

I am talking about my neighbour who gave up his job and claimed Job Seekers but didn't like them pushing him to find work. So he went to his GP and said he was very depressed and suffering such bad anxiety he could not leave his house so impossible for him to work. The GP can't prove whether it's true or not can they?

So he has been claiming benefits for 2 years but also working cash in hand OUT OF THE HOUSE 5 days a week. Therefore he is lying.

It makes me so angry because I know what it is like to have such bad panic attacks and anxiety that I could not leave the house. I suffered that for 6 months and probably left my house twice in that time and had to rush home because I felt so ill.

I had a full time job and it never occurred to me to leave and try and get benefits. Thankfully my employer was sympathetic and kept my job open for me.

He is taking the piss

LadyKenya · 20/02/2025 14:26

mydogisthebest · 20/02/2025 14:20

Nothing to be done!!!! Really.

He says he can't work because he can't go out because of anxiety and panic attacks and yet goes out all the time. He is probably out of the house more than he is in it. 7 to 8 hours a day Monday to Friday working, then time spent going shopping and/or walking the dog. Going out in the evenings with this girlfriend. Going out on Saturday and Sunday walking his dog, taking his girlfriend out for the day etc etc.

No way is that someone who has panic attacks and can't go out. I have suffered panic attacks in the past and could not go out at all.

Not sure why you are supporting this scrounger. If his claim is based on him not being able to work why on earth do you think it ok for him to work cash in hand 5 days a week?

Wow, so much energy being invested in watching your neighbour, oh dear.

Greeherbs · 20/02/2025 14:25

Depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation are difficult to disprove.

Even if your “cousin’s” award were removed, it would be a simple matter to have it reinstated if there is a documented history of suicidal tendencies. Tribunals do not remove awards if it is likely to cause a serious deterioration. For these reasons, DWP would be unlikely to pursue fraud.

scanni · 20/02/2025 14:24

@mydogisthebest

If his claim is based on him not being able to work why on earth do you think it ok for him to work cash in hand 5 days a week?

NOBODY'S PIP claim is based on not being able to work. Not a single persons.

mydogisthebest · 20/02/2025 14:20

LadyKenya · 20/02/2025 12:56

If you knew anything about the criteria, then you would know, that he does not have to be a prisoner in his home, he can go outside. The fact he has a dog, and a partner he goes out with, could be part of the reason he is able to do so. Get on with your own life, and leave your neighbour alone. I am glad that nothing has been done, because there is likely NOTHING to be done!

Nothing to be done!!!! Really.

He says he can't work because he can't go out because of anxiety and panic attacks and yet goes out all the time. He is probably out of the house more than he is in it. 7 to 8 hours a day Monday to Friday working, then time spent going shopping and/or walking the dog. Going out in the evenings with this girlfriend. Going out on Saturday and Sunday walking his dog, taking his girlfriend out for the day etc etc.

No way is that someone who has panic attacks and can't go out. I have suffered panic attacks in the past and could not go out at all.

Not sure why you are supporting this scrounger. If his claim is based on him not being able to work why on earth do you think it ok for him to work cash in hand 5 days a week?

scanni · 20/02/2025 14:04

@Whippetlovely

700 quid is a decent amount if you have no mortgage or rent to pay

I hardly think you could call £700 for all bills and food a decent amount.

It's not that simple as there will be UC involved too so his actual income should be more, but let's not pretend £700 is 'decent'

Whippetlovely · 20/02/2025 14:01

TheOriginalEmu · 20/02/2025 10:38

Highest level PIP is £700 a month, they don’t just ‘give’ you a car, you have to lease it out of your PIP which reduces your income to around £430 a month. It’s hardly the live of Riley.

But what else is he getting out of this. Probably housing benefit and other benefits. 700 quid is a decent amount if you have no mortgage or rent to pay. I have a cousin who gets pip and care allowance for his brother. Both are drug addicts. All problems caused by themselves. Never worked a day in their lives.

LadyKenya · 20/02/2025 14:00

Porkyporkchop · 20/02/2025 13:54

I would report him. Too many people with real problems are being turned away because of nasty liars who cheat the system.

Edited

No that is not true. Unless you are suggesting that you know for a fact that the DWP has quotas for people claiming PIP.

MrsPeregrine · 20/02/2025 14:00

When people have posted about benefit fraud on here in the past they quite often get told to ‘MYOB’. Perhaps it’s now dawning on people that those who abuse the system are making everything cost more for everyone.

scanni · 20/02/2025 13:58

@Wildflowers99

But we weren’t discussing PIP applications being difficult to complete. We were talking about it being difficult to claim. Most people would take the ordinary meaning of that as ‘difficult to be approved for’. I think you know this

I do know this as it's exactly what i was talking about. I'm not sure why you think I'm talking about filling out a form. I'm not.

Wildflowers99 · 20/02/2025 13:56

scanni · 20/02/2025 13:52

@Wildflowers99

It’s not loads but my point was I wouldn’t call 50% ‘notoriously difficult’, 10% perhaps although I acknowledge it’s subjective.

You are basing difficult on people being awarded v not awarded though. When mulls the % who have been awarded have found it very difficult. Obviously there are stories of people who sail through this every time with little evidence but the truth is the vast majority of the 50% who are awarded will have also found it difficult.

But we weren’t discussing PIP applications being difficult to complete. We were talking about it being difficult to claim. Most people would take the ordinary meaning of that as ‘difficult to be approved for’. I think you know this

Porkyporkchop · 20/02/2025 13:54

I would report him. Too many people with real problems are being turned away because of nasty liars who cheat the system.

LookingAtMyBhunas · 20/02/2025 13:53

Cattreesea · 20/02/2025 09:55

Right...

If this is a real post (which is debatable...) the only advice is keep your nose out of other people's lives.

PIP is a very difficult benefit to qualify for and is only given if people provide a lot of medical evidence to back up their claim. The DWP then follows up by contacting people's GP and/or consultant and a face to face assessment.

It is not given simply because people write something in a form.

People claiming benefits fraudulently and taking from those who genuinely need it is everyone's business.

scanni · 20/02/2025 13:52

@Wildflowers99

It’s not loads but my point was I wouldn’t call 50% ‘notoriously difficult’, 10% perhaps although I acknowledge it’s subjective.

You are basing difficult on people being awarded v not awarded though. When mulls the % who have been awarded have found it very difficult. Obviously there are stories of people who sail through this every time with little evidence but the truth is the vast majority of the 50% who are awarded will have also found it difficult.

Wildflowers99 · 20/02/2025 13:50

scanni · 20/02/2025 13:46

@Wildflowers99

Not being goady but if it’s notoriously difficult to claim, why are 50% of claims approved and we have 3.5 million people claiming it? We spend more on disability benefits than our entire military budget, so it must be a lot?

Becsue we have lots of people living with disabilities. Oh and 50% isn't loads in terms of claims being approved, is it? It's almost as if it's just half.

It’s not loads but my point was I wouldn’t call 50% ‘notoriously difficult’, 10% perhaps although I acknowledge it’s subjective.

PoorAbbeyWalsh · 20/02/2025 13:48

Fyi.... when he decides to get a car, he is paying for it out of the PIP, it's not an extra benefit.

scanni · 20/02/2025 13:46

@Wildflowers99

Not being goady but if it’s notoriously difficult to claim, why are 50% of claims approved and we have 3.5 million people claiming it? We spend more on disability benefits than our entire military budget, so it must be a lot?

Becsue we have lots of people living with disabilities. Oh and 50% isn't loads in terms of claims being approved, is it? It's almost as if it's just half.

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