Just a question re transgender

Hannah Barnes went through the data
as did the Cass review

its all in black and white

Yes . I’m adhd possibly autism - so can sympathise.

The semi-colon person was not the paralysed person.

@Elephantsarenottheonlyfruit Do feel free to cite this incredibly compelling and decisive evidence of the strong links between neurodiversity and the other conditions discussed here, btw. If I'm wrong and a strong link with strong evidence has in fact emerged, I'd like to know about it! But I suspect you are just peddling the party line as so many do. There is a reason that all these conditions are evaluated in isolation and are not seen as clinically linked entities.

A need to escape the trauma of SA that females experience, makes you feel identifying as male means you are safer. No need for tests, you've said it yourself. Its about your SA and childhood trauma and a need to 'escape' from that. Not actually trans.

@Elephantsarenottheonlyfruit On the contrary, I am referring to the low quality of the evidence that you think is much more compelling than it actually is. You can believe what you want, but no one who actually works in this field would disagree with me (unless, I suppose, they're in the business of enriching themselves by selling private diagnoses to the worried well identitarians...!) that the research population thing is a massive problem. It has hindered actual research on these patient groups hugely, which only makes things worse for the real patients. This is freely discussed among clinicians, and acknowledged by them to, again, the genuine patients.

Again, I'm not trying to stop you from believing what you want (such as that weak evidence is stronger than it is), but facts are facts.

Depends though doesn't it? If you're autistic just being thrown together with a load of other people and then being expected to work out "how to fit in and quickly" is a recipe for disaster. You do know its a disability w social and communication impairments right?

So you are encouraging this nonsense with your own child. There is no such thing as 'non binary'. EVERYONE is 'non binary' by default; no one on earth is 100% female stereotypes or 100% male stereotypes. In fact, the default is actually non-binary. So your child is using a label to feel special and unique, when in fact they are just the same as everyone else.

I have directly discussed it with doctors several times, and have had online aspects cited in why some services have closed down.

got kicked off a huge US based sewing group for showing a I ❤️ JK Rowling embroidery. (Well I knew what the reaction would be, but thought I’d go out with a bang.)

Yay! Well done, Ohwhat. Let’s hope they were dropping stitches all over the place in their flurry of rage.

What on earth does POTs got to do with it?! POTS is a dysregulation condition of the heart and blood pressure definitely not voluntary.
I also have POTS and long covid can't say anyone I know with both conditions is transgender etc

I see it as similar to Paris Hilton and handbag dogs. They were The accessory amongst slebs, now it’s “trans” kids. But once the mere mortals started doing having tiny dogs, slebs moved on to something else (in PH case surrogate baby). Hopefully this transposes to the current fad.
I’ve found most online groups (except one for my dog’s breed and fountain pens) tend to veer eventually to the more vociferous members. Craft groups are notorious, got kicked off a huge US based sewing group for showing a I ❤️ JK Rowling embroidery. (Well I knew what the reaction would be, but thought I’d go out with a bang.)

All this trying to find your tribe. I’m pretty ancient but as a teen I had weekend and holiday jobs. You’re thrown in amongst a group of adults you do not know and have to learn quickly and fit in. Gave me, with hindsight, a good idea of how others live, helped me realise how lucky I was (it wasn’t going to become my lifelong work) and just gave me insight to a totally different part of society.
Now teens mix with just teens and mostly online. Not great for learning about the world/ people.

Lots of interesting observations from real life here. Thanks for starting the thread, OP.

The mental-health aspect is very obvious, and I’d also heard of bullying, sexual abuse and other childhood traumas causing distress that, in a gender-soaked world, could be interpreted, by a child, as being in the wrong body.

But there’s also a lot here I didn’t know about.

Adult men identifying their way into women’s changing rooms, winning women’s medals etc is not in the least puzzling. There have always been sex pests and cheats, but society never used to encourage them!

But the rising number of young people being given harmful drugs and operations makes gender questioning a massive social concern. This thread is providing useful information and connections.

Yes, I completely get where you're coming from.

I'm mid 30s female (trans male to clarify) with a history of childhood trauma and SA, currently going through an ASD diagnosis. And each group I join, or try to be a part of, I can't help but look at it from an outsiders perspective and realise how similar we all are.

I think the only real difference I saw was that I want to know why. I know I'm not "normal" and I'd happily take part in research, tests etc to find out more, whereas other seem much happier to continue.
Then again, I was trans before it became so popular - probably not the best word but only one I can think of - and I did perfectly fine without announcing pronouns, coming out parties and toilet drama.

I understand that point, but I think for some people it's not enough to express one's self a certain way and the identity that feels most comfortable is important. I have a non binary kid who I support but I have also told them I feel if one wants to kick against ideas of gender it's a stronger standpoint to present and act how you wish whichever sex you are. Though I acknowledge that is not the sole point of being trans or enby but I wanted it to be something to consider.

Echo, I can well understand that the expectation of 'performing' as an assigned gender is another layer of discomfort in an uncomfortable world.

But surely, the whole transgender thing is about performing a sex stereotype? And therefore I would have thought harder work.

Whereas you can refuse to perform the stereotypes of your own sex, as I and many young feminists did. I didn’t wear make-up or high heels, simply because I didn’t want to.

The Australian POTS foundation for webinars and research. Paid membership also gives you a discount on a high sodium drink which I’ve found really good - I get it shipped from Australia.

The subreddit for POTS can be really helpful, and I also became a member of a ‘teachers with POTS’ group.

I've been involved in the lesbian community for several decades. I'm now seeing quite a few young lesbians, clearly ND once you get to know them, whose lives are mainly virtual (SM and work too), all of them identifying as NB or transmasc, all into sci-fi and fantasy, all with certain tattoos and haircuts. A couple of them make their living as illustrators or creating virtual 'stuff' for followers of certain video games/ communities. Most of them have a fairly loose grip on reality and find it difficult to find RL groups and communities who support them. When they meet each other they talk very intensely about their shared interests but don't seem able to relate or talk freely with others outside their interest groups.

I'd laugh it off as just another teen/ youth tribe like Goths or Emos, except that some of these younger lesbians are now in their 30s and show no sign of joining what I suppose I think of as mainstream society.

@StMarie4me You mean a blatantly PRO WOMEN forum?
Unless, you are admitting that to be pro-trans is indeed, anti-women.

I don’t bother with online fandom for scifi or fanfic anymore because even around 2010 I could see the type of behaviour that OP describes was happening and beginning to escalate. I think online fandom behaviour is an intensified version of behaviour I’ve experienced in real life over the years in various geek spaces like hobby groups, scifi clubs, or tabletop gaming.

When I found out about the theory of Five Geek Social Fallacies a lot of the behaviour in geeky spaces made much more sense to me:

https://plausiblydeniable.com/five-geek-social-fallacies/

I think it makes medical professionals suspicious. I had the same reaction when I asked a GP about pain relief for nerve pain. He seemed shocked and told me I could take paracetamol.

A thirty second glance at my medical history would show I have no history of addiction etc. When I did experience nerve pain my consultant neurologist immediately prescribed me appropriate medication. The GP had an immediate 'she just wants drugs' reaction.

I'm sorry if this has been discussed already - I've not had the chance to read the whole thread yet - has anyone noticed the seemingly high number of trans offspring of A-list US actors?
I can only imagine the disruptive upbringing many of them have probably had.

That sounds really frustrating! I think it’s important to focus on self help. I’d be really keen to know the name of the good forum

It’s interesting a few PPs have said people faking illness has caused them to receive poorer care. Have Drs said anything to you directly? I guess it doesn’t help but I’ve generally found poor care to be because Dr haven’t heard of my condition and aren’t curious to find out more. I also suspect that being a woman doesn’t help