How Can The World Stand By While Trump Sucks Up To Putin?

We’re not Russia. Our armed forces are tiny but high quality. These are not trenches.

we have low corruption high employment high literacy low infant mortality and it’s better than it ever, EVER has been.

Nope, I definitely had it easier than today's young.

Any NATO country in Europe?

The only ally the US will have at this rate is Russia. Putin will attack any country he fancies if he’s emboldened by Trump’s support. You do remember that the reason we entered war in Europe last time was because Poland was invaded? And you do know which country borders Poland?

only young people can fight.

Well if we are talking the brutal realities many are nothing more than cannon fodder so send the older people first?

that's true @AquaPeer but we will still need to fund it.

What then?

I'll go in their place?

I don’t agree Blossomtoes, USA isnt a threat to its allies, Putin is imo only threat to the former Soviet Union , he won’t attack a NATO country. So I’m not worried for the UK tbh, although I do sympathise with the countries that will be affected but not enough to go to war with Russia.

Also, the modern military is increasingly using technology in the place of boots on the ground. A massive war doesn’t mean what it meant 80 years ago

@SernieBanders ,

‘Never” is a shortsighted term. It could happen. Very quickly.’

So, I reiterate, who are we going to be using conscripts to fight, and where?

Hardly. How about calm down and try reading again. It’s fact. Our welfare budget is higher than our defence. That’s going to be a huge problem now America have taken their ball home.

This is such a drama llama useless thing for him to say.

this situation has really highlighted to me how so many people rely on sound bites and unfounded drama. It’s so ironic how many years we’ve spent accusing the far right of this tbh.

I wonder if Trump is seriously losing his marbles.

It's a no thanks from me, I'm not convinced on the 30k to start with let alone more

“Never” is a shortsighted term. It could happen. Very quickly.

Putin and Trump combined are a threat to the whole world @headstone.

Why do people on MN keep bringing conscription up?

Who are we going to be fighting, and where?

If you are thinking Ukraine, that would be as peacekeepers after a negotiated settlement, and the ‘offer’ (which is very tentative anyway) is 30,000 from all of Europe.

Conscripts are useless soldiers and we have no need of them.

It’s just never going to happen, although the suggestion seems popular on MN!

How close does Putin need to get to your front door before you ARE prepared to take a stand ?

There is only a certain amount of money, some people would prefer it was used to fight Russians in Ukraine others would prefer it was used on the NHS.
Personally I don’t see Putin as a threat to the UK and unlike many dictators he does come across as mentally stable, I think the Putin will take over the world rhetoric to be very hyperbolic. I do have immense sympathy for Ukrainian though but not enough to want to send my own sons to war.

Read up on "paying the Dane geld"

Assuming call up was at 16, yes before 2030.

We might not have a choice.

What then?

@SernieBanders you clearly feel strongly, do you have sons that would be included?

I think we should avoid it and not offer young people to fight

Then you’re blind. Because the country has provided them with somewhere safe to live a great education system, reliable and predictable society where you can trust institutions and know the taxes get spent on the right things and people pay them.

before you say”oh no they don’t” compare us to any other country but Switzerland.

we have low corruption high employment high literacy low infant mortality and it’s better than it ever, EVER has been.

yes they owe. And if there is a real war you either serve or go to prison, maybe get executed - we’re not special. This country has been strong and stable for a long time because when pushed we have pushed back. That requires sacrifice.

only young people can fight.