How Can The World Stand By While Trump Sucks Up To Putin?

You say that like it's a threat to Americans. We Yanks are happy to leave your bases. Delirious, because it means that Europe is finally taking responsibility for its own security. Or not. Whatever. Not our circus and should never have been our circus.

That's why the VP is on his way back to Europe in the next few days--to explain that we're leaving. It won't be a complete withdrawal but it will be the vast majority.

80 years after the end of WWII it's high time for the US to leave NATO to its own devices. Complete withdrawal is already being discussed by both the Trump admin and Congress.

I wouldn’t believe Trump if he told me the sky was blue.

They’re not though… that’s the point

I'm out until MN so some actual fucking moderating. If that gets me banned so be it.

Trump has proposed a deal with the UK--reciprocal tariffs. US tariffs against UK products will be exactly as much as the tariffs that the UK imposes on US products. Sounds fair to me.

Yes because it’s unsustainable. We’ve dropped the ball hugely. That does not equate to having it in for the disabled. I’d actually rather the genuinely disabled got far more. There is no way our disability figures are sustainable on top of needing to increase defence education, etc. The government are already floating ideas in the press that the welfare budget cuts will be going to defence.

You seem to be under the impression we or indeed young people would have any choice?

what gives you that idea exactly?

won’t someone think of the children

Blimey this again I thought it had died with covid over

I don't mind suggesting the young should not be expected to fight

It isn't a stalemate. Ukraine is losing. Ask yourself why that "democracy," Ukraine, doesn't allow reporters to embed with troops and report on what's really going on at the front. Instead we get government-issued reports that are completely unverified, and the compliant Western media runs with them. Google Gonzalo Lira if you want to know what Zelensky does to reporters who try to tell the truth. His death is what turned the tide against Ukraine in the estimation of the American public.

The US IC knows the truth. Ukraine is losing. Without vast amounts of US $$$ and European boots on the ground, Ukraine can't win. And the US money is going away.

Tbf I have heard it on the radio this afternoon, it's always quite a heated debate I guess

How many posters on here would be willing to pay an increase in taxes to fund a war effort? / Increased aid. I bet reform would surge in the poles at the very mention of the idea.

I started a thread asking this because I would pay more. I would do anything to protect my dc like most.

We do have to fund it and that is a really serious complex question. The unpicking of that question is not helped at all by some drama lllama “won’t someone think of the children” fake news about conscription

If you don’t have issue with it, why bring it up in relation to spending and compare it to other counties? It might be true but what of it? Do you think the bill should be less?

Exactly. It’s disingenuous to compare a civil war with an invaded country.

It’s not in Russia’s interests to engage NATO in a traditional armed conflict, and it’s highly unlikely to happen.

Russia has been engaging in war against the west for years, and what we are seeing is the west scrambling, trying to mount a defensive whist being on the backfoot. Russia’s military is not better than the combined military of NATO countries, but what Russia is better at is infiltration, sabotage, and disinformation campaigns, all intended to sow dissent from within a country or organization. Why would they engage in armed conflict with NATO when they can break it up from within?

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"In 1864 Abraham Lincoln held elections during the Civil War even though he thought he'd lose. If the US could do it 161 years ago over vast territory without modern communication, Ukraine can do it today in a much smaller area."

Well the UK didn't during WW2, which was longer than the Ukrainian war, did it? Nobody went round accusing Churchill of being a dictator did they?

Anyone who talks about signing up other people's children

Fighting talk. Easy to do online

"How close does Putin need to get to your front door before you ARE prepared to take a stand ?"

Easy to tell people to stand when it is not you or yours that will be on the firing line.

Young people amay resent a country that calls them snowflakes, unable to put a roof over their head or get a decent pay rise have older generation tell them they owe them a debt to fight for the country.

How many posters on here would be willing to pay an increase in taxes to fund a war effort? / Increased aid. I bet reform would surge in the poles at the very mention of the idea.

In 1864 Abraham Lincoln held elections during the Civil War even though he thought he'd lose. If the US could do it 161 years ago over vast territory without modern communication, Ukraine can do it today in a much smaller area.

@EasternStandard 😆😆 something tells me they are super eager for others to do their duty but not so much themselves.

@SernieBanders yes I did. Not perfect in anyway but in terms of what matters to me I did.

Those who are keen?

Some ready to fight posters

We aren't talking about the current armed forces but the young who may be conscripted.
How will they be highly trained so quickly?

No you didn’t.