How Can The World Stand By While Trump Sucks Up To Putin?

In the end, every war has to end with a peace treaty, a negotiation, unless one side wins outright.

Ukraine has had a lot of money from Europe and the USA and that money can't keep going on for ever. It just can't because many countries can't afford to keep doing so.

Trump may be the only one who can begin to broker some sort of deal. Clearly, Russia and Ukraine both need to be involved.

.It is all very well to trot around the world, meeting leaders, demanding money from what seems a never ending source but peace is always better. This is a chance, an opening salvo, to bring it to an end. It's a long way from perfect but it's a start.

Anyway, the UK can't afford to give more and is everyone happy with Sir Keir saying he is willing to put boots on the ground? What boots? How many? If it drags on will people be happy for conscription to be introduced. He can't supply soldiers long term without conscription.

Of course, he may just have said this because he got carried away dressing up in camouflage. .Who knows, He might have costed it all out and have a clear plan.

I suppose if the rest of the world is willing to keep paying and willing to put conscripted soldiers on the ground-albeit only the UK has said this, then that's what will happen.

The majority will rule-as it should but at some point, maybe years down the line, a table will be brought in and people will have to sit around it.

All feels a bit 1938 Czechoslovakia…

I’m sure Trump is eyeing up a Crimean Riviera development…

I don't think tide has turned so much as SM is being flooded to look like it has.
The general responses from people who aren't just posting propaganda are similar to before. It's just the people who are posting the other way are doing a lot.

It would be interesting if mnhq could publish %ages from different countries and how it's changed over the last 5 years.

I think in the long term the UK relationship with the US will change after the way Trump is acting, but we are quite heavily dependent on and aligned with the US with trade, militarily and international commitments, it would be very bad for the UK to suddenly fall out completely with the US. But it will never be the same relationship and I'm sure not only the UK but many other countries will be moving away from the US (politically and in trading, etc) as fast as possible without causing too many problems at home. The US may be a big fish, but there are lots of smaller fish out there.

The world has sat back and watched while countless thousands of innocent people have been killed and injured in Gaza, and 90% of buildings have been damaged, and have done nothing, so I don't know why anyone would be surprised by what Trump is doing now - the US think they have the right to do exactly what they want, when they want. But Trump is clearly very seriously unhinged and I think he's becoming increasingly dangerous.

We don’t though that’s the problem. We have a majority of net takers. Not enough people pay enough tax.

Trumps approach is transactional. So If Ukraine wants financial help, it will sign over its mineral reserves. Totally different to say, Reagan.

Agreed.
I have seen the tide turn massively on social media in the last month or two. I think this is what propaganda looks like in the 21st century and we have no real defence.

Not this again

should Zelensky act against his country's constitution.

And if he did that, how would
Elections be held?

Ukraine is under martial law. How do you organise a national poll in a war zone?

One thing that I think is new is the number of apparently "pro-Trump" posters that appeared on here in recent weeks.
And suddenly our local FB page seems to have lots of pro-Trump/Putin posts from anonymous people, as does one of the FB interest groups I'm in

It does look like a concerted effort to change opinion via social media.

More sick and disabled than the any where else in the western world.

I doubt that's true. The difference is that we all contribute to pay out of our taxes for the sick and disabled, so that they get better, Unlike in countries where the sick and disabled can't afford medical care.

I don't see the problem with America putting America first. They've given hundreds of billions to Ukraine.

Zelensky needs to go. He's diabolical.

Countries don't hold elections in wartime. That's just a standard.

I used to think this, but actually I think they just recognise a kindred spirit in each other. They are amoral men who will do anything to advance their own power, wealth and interests. They’ve realised that they have more to gain by cooperating to bully smaller countries and use them as bargaining chips.

I think he's calling Zelensky a dictator because Zelensky has cancelled elections, which is the type of things dictators tend to do.

Several polls-not all- are showing that his popularity has fallen, so a cynical person might not marvel at the fact that the elections are cancelled.

We do have far too many on the sick - for all the reasons you’ve stated and we’ve taxed growth out of service. So what’s coming next? 5bn of welfare cuts to plough into defence. Should’ve seen it coming tbh.

We can’t do anything to stop him.

He’s the most powerful man in the world, with the richest man in the world at his right hand.

He’s the biggest bully in the playground and he’s decided to team up with the other bullies.

We have no teacher to run to and ‘make him stop’ - it’s a survival of the fittest, Lord of the Flies scenario, and it isn’t going to be pretty.

When Putin invaded Ukraine, Trump called him a genius.
And Trump had repeatedly indicated he wouldn’t continue funding the war in Ukraine years ago. He seems this as a European issue, not a US one.

So the American electorate voted for this.
and to be honest, Europe should have been paying more for its own defence.

Trump has overturned 80 years of US policy in one month.
But embracing Putin is on another level….

Get away with what though? He’s made some comments which have been condemned. The international community has never reacted to comments as far as I know, he has always spouted a lot of crap (admittedly these comments do seem more dangerous than the norm). Pretty sure if he invades another sovereign country he/they US will be sanctioned just like Putin. No one is going to go to war with them whatever he does or says because it is not a winnable war for obvious reasons. Same as for Putin. We can’t do anything other than see what happens.

This. It’s like asking why nobody stands up to Tyson Fury in a bar - there is nobody with the strength or power to reasonably take him on and make him back down.

Trump has been elected on a promise of putting America first and not liberally spending their ‘tax dollars’ policing the world and acting as a very expensive military deterrent for others. He has (I think quite reasonably) made the point that we have been happily defunding our own military safe in the knowledge they’ll properly fund theirs and we can hide behind them.

The UK has no standing any more. We have no proper allies - the USA has ghosted us, we are no longer in the EU, and our Empire is in the dustbin of history. We are still a member of NATO, but we have little influence over the major players anymore.

Add to that that we spend more on disability benefits alone than our entire military budget, our failing economy and high unemployment, and what weight do we have to throw around?

We obviously need to increase defence spending but who is going to vote for more taxes?

Not enough money and too many on the sick. We’ve fucked our selves to be blunt.

No we are fucked because we never recovered from the 08 crash, no
investment in anything particularly the young, allowed assets to inflate, Brexit, Covid & the fact we have an ageing population

It's all about Trump's 'America First'.

What's best for America. Full stop.

Being at war with Putin is not what's best for America - so Trump will do or say whatever it takes for it not to be the case.

Unfortunately this post kind of nails it. We have spent years funding a society which is hugely state dependent. More sick and disabled than the any where else in the western world. We’ve ran defence spending into the ground because the hope is someone else will do it. Not enough money and too many on the sick. We’ve fucked our selves to be blunt.