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Daughter’s friend acts like a twat

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outthereandbeyond · 19/02/2025 13:31

I’m failing as a parent here because I really don’t know where the boundary is.

my DD (8) has a friend (8) who really behaves badly, like all the time. On play dates, she is rude, never says please/thank you, throws things, breaks things (in my house) will have meltdowns and cry literally like a baby over the smallest things. Demands food then won’t eat it, defies rules when we’re together. Just everything annoying you could possibley think of in a child.

I’m ADHD, single mum & can get triggered when im overwhelmed. She came over for a play date yesterday and pushed me beyond my limits. I get a splitting headache whenever she’s around.

the mum is a good friend of mine, and I’ve tried speaking to her about it and suggesting small edits to how we parent in the pretence that we’re both fumbling through this journey. For example I suggest encouraging her to model using word when daughter cries instead of tears, or encouring our children to put on their own shoes (this child refuses to get dressed alone). My friend insists that my daughter is just as bad (she really isn’t) but I say yeah yeah, so as not to offend and to let them be as they’re finding their way in the world. I just disagree with this and feel that the girl plays up because the mum never models good behaviour.

Here is where everyone will shoot me…, my friend says she suspects her now to be SEN/autistic which would make sense - only SUSPECTS, not diagnosed. My daughter IS diagnosed with SEN.

But now my daughter accepts this awful behaviour when they’re on play dates and I don’t think my daughter should be putting up with this. One time this girl refused to wipe her bum after a poo and asked me to do it (our house). I explained that I wasn’t going to touch her body as it was private and that she ought to wipe herself or pull up her pants and deal with it at home. She screamed and cried for me to do it but I kindly declined as o didn’t think it was right to touch her, after all I wouldn’t be comfortable with someone doing it to my daughter at 8. After a few minutes all was quiet. When I went to check, my daughter, was wiping her bum for her. I pulled daughter aside and said ‘honey. That’s not your responsibility but your friends’ but my daughter said she would do it as she has special needs (not diagnosed, mind).

I told the mum and she said she thought it was fine as that’s what friends should do…. 🤯

help me, I want to guide my daughter and I don’t think she should be putting up with this in a friendship.

if I am wrong then please tell me gently.

OP posts:
MrsWhites · 19/02/2025 14:43

Why do you still allow this child in your home?

Dancingatthepinkponyclub · 19/02/2025 14:42

I’d have to stop having the child over. However I would have wiped her bum especially if I thought my own child would end up doing it- that’s just wrong!

Sunshiny12 · 19/02/2025 14:42

I have an autistic son. I know what you mean about neurodiversity. I would stay away from this child until she starts behaving better.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 19/02/2025 14:38

Also if she knows her daughter needs intimate care she should not be leaving her alone at someone else's house

HolyPeaches · 19/02/2025 14:38

YABU to describe an 8yo (potentially and likely SEN) child as acting like a twat.

YANBU to not want to put up with this behaviour.

Stop having her in your home. That’s the only solution.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 19/02/2025 14:37

Agree no more playdates, I don't think it's healthy for your child to be around this type of behaviour. And the mum seems to be downplaying it, friends do not normally provide intimate care for other friends, it's massively inappropriate...would she come and wipe your arse if you were temporarily incapacitated in some way? Or would it make both of you feel very uncomfortable?

Just tell her that you're stopping them for a while as the last few times neither of the girls seem to have had a good time and there has been a lot of breakages and crying and meltdowns and don't think anyone has enjoyed it. I'd encourage other friendships, organise other playdates and talk to your daughter about acceptable behaviour

ButIToldYouSoooo · 19/02/2025 14:37

YABU to continue hosting her. It's not fair to your daughter. Stop the playdates.

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 19/02/2025 14:35

Glorybox2025 · 19/02/2025 14:33

Absolutely not. If the child can't wipe her own bottom then her mother needs to stay with her on play dates or at the very least check in advance if the host parent is willing to wipe her. This isn't the case. The OP knows that the child can wipe herself but for some reason doesn't want to. She's absolutely not wrong to decline to wipe this child's bottom.

Oh i think that if a kid needed help wiping their bum, and they're being suspected as autistic, I'd just do it with my dd present, lest they walk around with a pooey bum

I'd then tell the mum that it can't happen again and what you've said

But otherwise the op isn't at all unreasonable to stop visits tbh

Shakeyourbaublesandsmile · 19/02/2025 14:34

What in the gentle parenting is this all about?

This child may have SEN which needs addressing or just needs to be parented proactively. The parent needs it spelling out to her directly by someone- as allowing this to be minimised is not helping the Mom or the child.

Does the child require help with personal care at school? Was there a genuine reason she needed help this on this occasion if no - it’s very unusual.

PDA?

Hankunamatata · 19/02/2025 14:34

I would have gone ballistic over her making my dd wipe her bum. I would have called the mum and told her to come pick her up now.
Playdates would not be happening

Glorybox2025 · 19/02/2025 14:33

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 19/02/2025 14:20

Yanbu in every aspect apart from the bum wiping

A child genuinely needed your help and you refused. In real life, as a woman, you will have to provide care for a child in this situation, and you were wrong there

Other than that, I'd tell the friend that you can't have her dd over for the time being as her behaviour is just too much

Absolutely not. If the child can't wipe her own bottom then her mother needs to stay with her on play dates or at the very least check in advance if the host parent is willing to wipe her. This isn't the case. The OP knows that the child can wipe herself but for some reason doesn't want to. She's absolutely not wrong to decline to wipe this child's bottom.

Embarrassinglyuseless · 19/02/2025 14:32

YABU because you haven’t already tackled this more aggressively.

At the very least after the toileting incident I would have clearly said ‘your daughter isn’t willing to clean herself after using the loo at our house and I think it’s best she doesn’t come here without you”

why haven’t you put firmer boundaries in place?

Aitchemarsey · 19/02/2025 14:30

TomatoSandwiches · 19/02/2025 13:35

No more play dates without her mother present.

This. If her behaviour is "fine", let her own mum deal with it. The mum needs a reality check- this kid is currently not on track to be joining a mainstream secondary in 3 years time.

Dolambslikemintsauce · 19/02/2025 14:26

Just make plans to meet elsewhere.. You aren't a free childminder...

YourHappyJadeEagle · 19/02/2025 14:26

Practice a couple of responses for if/when your dd or the other child’s mother asks for her to come to you. “No that doesn’t work for me” “Can’t arrange anything at the moment” “we’re all rather busy right now”
Having the phrases already set in your head makes it easier. No one should have to put up with a child who behaves like that.

Moveoverdarlin · 19/02/2025 14:22

I just would stop the play dates. ‘Sorry Sarah, I’m going to take a bit of a rain check on the play dates for the next few months. I just can’t cope’.

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 19/02/2025 14:20

Yanbu in every aspect apart from the bum wiping

A child genuinely needed your help and you refused. In real life, as a woman, you will have to provide care for a child in this situation, and you were wrong there

Other than that, I'd tell the friend that you can't have her dd over for the time being as her behaviour is just too much

NerrSnerr · 19/02/2025 14:19

But now my daughter accepts this awful behaviour when they’re on play dates and I don’t think my daughter should be putting up with this.

You're literally making her put up with it by continually having play dates. You are the adult so you can say no.

Jellyslothbridge · 19/02/2025 14:17

TomatoSandwiches · 19/02/2025 13:35

No more play dates without her mother present.

This

commonsense61 · 19/02/2025 14:10

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Ablondiebutagoody · 19/02/2025 14:10

Don't give the other mum parenting advice and don't have the child over.

historyrepeatz · 19/02/2025 14:10

Another for stopping the play dates or calling the mum to pick up her child when things start to deteriorate. It doesn't make you mean or unkind. Does DD have play dates with anyone else?

01Name · 19/02/2025 14:10

Stop this - before "she touched me down there" gets said to anyone.

PurpleThistle7 · 19/02/2025 14:07

Yeah I'd not be inviting that situation into my house. There's no reason to try and work on the mother - she doesn't see the issue and has her own view on it all. But this isn't good for you or your daughter and you don't have to do it. It's not a family member or some sort of responsibility of yours. For various reasons, it's not a good fit and you can just not continue.

middleagedandinarage · 19/02/2025 14:06

Eek! I would definitely be stopping the play dates and trying to subtly steer DD away from this girl! Does your DD have other friends? Can you arrange play dates with them to try and grow their friendships?