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Daughter’s friend acts like a twat

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outthereandbeyond · 19/02/2025 13:31

I’m failing as a parent here because I really don’t know where the boundary is.

my DD (8) has a friend (8) who really behaves badly, like all the time. On play dates, she is rude, never says please/thank you, throws things, breaks things (in my house) will have meltdowns and cry literally like a baby over the smallest things. Demands food then won’t eat it, defies rules when we’re together. Just everything annoying you could possibley think of in a child.

I’m ADHD, single mum & can get triggered when im overwhelmed. She came over for a play date yesterday and pushed me beyond my limits. I get a splitting headache whenever she’s around.

the mum is a good friend of mine, and I’ve tried speaking to her about it and suggesting small edits to how we parent in the pretence that we’re both fumbling through this journey. For example I suggest encouraging her to model using word when daughter cries instead of tears, or encouring our children to put on their own shoes (this child refuses to get dressed alone). My friend insists that my daughter is just as bad (she really isn’t) but I say yeah yeah, so as not to offend and to let them be as they’re finding their way in the world. I just disagree with this and feel that the girl plays up because the mum never models good behaviour.

Here is where everyone will shoot me…, my friend says she suspects her now to be SEN/autistic which would make sense - only SUSPECTS, not diagnosed. My daughter IS diagnosed with SEN.

But now my daughter accepts this awful behaviour when they’re on play dates and I don’t think my daughter should be putting up with this. One time this girl refused to wipe her bum after a poo and asked me to do it (our house). I explained that I wasn’t going to touch her body as it was private and that she ought to wipe herself or pull up her pants and deal with it at home. She screamed and cried for me to do it but I kindly declined as o didn’t think it was right to touch her, after all I wouldn’t be comfortable with someone doing it to my daughter at 8. After a few minutes all was quiet. When I went to check, my daughter, was wiping her bum for her. I pulled daughter aside and said ‘honey. That’s not your responsibility but your friends’ but my daughter said she would do it as she has special needs (not diagnosed, mind).

I told the mum and she said she thought it was fine as that’s what friends should do…. 🤯

help me, I want to guide my daughter and I don’t think she should be putting up with this in a friendship.

if I am wrong then please tell me gently.

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Lyannaa · 20/02/2025 02:28

Sometimes kids (even 8yos, even kids with SEN) can and do behave like twats.

No. They behave like kids. But if that's how you feel, no doubt it will influence what kind of a parent you are.

I've managed not to call my kids or anyone else's 'twats'.

One of my grown up dds had a friend in childhood whom I vividly remember doing stuff that made me think ADHD. If I turned my back for a second, she'd be climbing up great heights and jumping down, putting herself at risk, dropping bricks in our pond, breaking stuff. She also had a ban on invites to some peoples houses because she had form for breaking furniture.

Her mum started asking me if I could look after her when she was working and I just said 'no'. I didn't feel the need to call her names.

HeyDoodie · 20/02/2025 01:04

aged 8 most children haven’t yet been diagnosed. It often takes years and many struggles. It sounds like the girl has Autism and PDA traits and could gain a lot from specialist suggestions in regard to strategies.

At the end of the day your child’s well-being is your priority and if this is being compromised, then take a long break (4 months?) before meeting again. It sounds as though your child is quite resilient however, she understands the behaviours are different to the norm. If you are finding behaviours overwhelming why not meet in public places rather than your house. Or just meet up alone with mum.

Devianinc · 20/02/2025 00:47

It’s rocket science.

Wishyouwerehere50 · 20/02/2025 00:45

outthereandbeyond · 20/02/2025 00:39

Thanks. I have prioritised this friendship as we have a lot of similarities. We’re basically both solo mums, doing this alone, both with sick parents. But you’re right. I need to think harder about this friendship as she is quite a dominating person.

Completely end the playdates and see if there is any mileage in the adult relationship between you both without getting the kids together.

She has no boundaries but you struggle with boundaries in some ways ( I do too btw) so you might get somewhere once you just establish boundaries with her. She might react well and your adult relationship can continue. I really think going straight to cutting her right off is not sensible because there are things you value here in this relationship.

Just start with cutting playdates ( your first boundary to address all this) and see how things evolve with her.

fridaynight1 · 20/02/2025 00:42

I’d say no more play dates. Full stop. Your DD needs to make new friends - don’t enable this friendship. It’s not ok for your DD to think this is ok.

Eenameenadeeka · 20/02/2025 00:40

What the heck, just stop having her for playdates

outthereandbeyond · 20/02/2025 00:39

BreakfastClubBlues · 19/02/2025 15:54

OP why would you do anything but stop the playdates??

You say that you and the mother are also friends? No friend would continue to allow you to look after their child, while they're behaving so badly.

Your DD sounds quite vulnerable and you need to think carefully about who you welcome into her life. Tbh, you sound quite vulnerable yourself.

Take care and put what's in your DD's best interests first.

Thanks. I have prioritised this friendship as we have a lot of similarities. We’re basically both solo mums, doing this alone, both with sick parents. But you’re right. I need to think harder about this friendship as she is quite a dominating person.

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Yellowrosessmellpetaly · 20/02/2025 00:38

My kid is that age, if one of his mates made him wipe his bottom I'd go fucking tread light.

Your poor DD. She'll not remember that well.

I would remain cordial but that friendship would be over.

outthereandbeyond · 20/02/2025 00:34

I didn’t assume my own daughter would do it!

I assumed this kid was going to do a dirty protest and wipe her arse on my bathroom walls and floor. Only once it had gone quiet that I realised my daughter had snuck in to do it.

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outthereandbeyond · 20/02/2025 00:30

Agree. I think no more play dates if the mum isn’t around.

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outthereandbeyond · 20/02/2025 00:27

Hankunamatata · 19/02/2025 17:21

I'd do some social stories on friendship and personal boundaries. Many women including me were taught not to say no or to suppress our own feelings, putting others ahead of ourselves ti personal detriment

Could you tell me what you mean by social stories? What does this mean? My boundaries are normally quite clear but as I am close to this friend and my daughter says they’re best friends it’s hard to say no. However after reading the comments here I think I need to be adjust this.

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Wishyouwerehere50 · 20/02/2025 00:17

Commonsenseisnotsocommon · 19/02/2025 23:44

Oh for God's sake, grow up, woman! Yes I've read you're ND but that is not an excuse to be so uncouth and foul about a child. You really are a piece of work.

Because this forum is anonymous it's ok for OP to vent here.

Kids really can evoke strong reactions. I don't mean just because they're SEN but sometimes humans are unlikeable including kids

ItGhoul · 19/02/2025 23:54

Lyannaa · 19/02/2025 22:00

Calling an 8 year old a twat is horrible. Shame on you.

Maybe this child also has SEN?

You don't have to allow her to destroy your house though. Stop inviting her.

Calling her a twat to her face would be horrible.

Calling her a twat when talking about her on Mumsnet has no impact on the child whatsoever, and therefore isn’t doing any harm.

Also, she does sound like a twat. And it’s perfectly possible to have SEN and, quite separately from that, also be a twat.

Commonsenseisnotsocommon · 19/02/2025 23:44

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Oh for God's sake, grow up, woman! Yes I've read you're ND but that is not an excuse to be so uncouth and foul about a child. You really are a piece of work.

dizzydizzydizzy · 19/02/2025 22:50

DC2 has a friend a bit like this (although not bum wiping - that is extreme). I simply stopped having them to play.

Wishyouwerehere50 · 19/02/2025 22:21

If your feelings are so strong you just can't be around this. You are not bad or wrong at all to just put a stop to it.

My child is ND and you can usual see it in other kids and if the parents don't see it and try manage it accordingly it can be grating. But I was actually that parent myself once, before I woke up.

yeesh · 19/02/2025 22:15

You are unreasonable for continuing to put up with all this crap

outthereandbeyond · 19/02/2025 22:08

TomatoSandwiches · 19/02/2025 13:37

Also, please don't call an 8yr old a twat, it sounds like they likely have some sort of SEN and if that's the case you are being disgusting and even if no SEN the child is a product of her parenting so really your friend is the twat not an innocent 8yr old fgs.

Aren’t you disgusting for calling me disgusting? I am diagnosed ND. She is behaving badly. Why can’t I call a spade a spade? This is an issue with this society we can’t just be honest without someone saying we’re disgusting.

ok. I’m disgusting! 🤮

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BlueSilverCats · 19/02/2025 22:07

Lyannaa · 19/02/2025 22:00

Calling an 8 year old a twat is horrible. Shame on you.

Maybe this child also has SEN?

You don't have to allow her to destroy your house though. Stop inviting her.

Sometimes kids (even 8yos, even kids with SEN) can and do behave like twats.

outthereandbeyond · 19/02/2025 22:05

Lyannaa · 19/02/2025 22:00

Calling an 8 year old a twat is horrible. Shame on you.

Maybe this child also has SEN?

You don't have to allow her to destroy your house though. Stop inviting her.

Also please note, I haven’t even gone into half the detail. One time, it honk she was seven. We were having a picnic in a park with other families, and this girl bent over and pooed her pants, in front of everyone. No warning, just bent over and pooed her pants.

the mum pulled her pants down, grabbed the poo in a tissue and put it in the bin. Laughed and carried on like normal.

another time she got her toe wet in a puddle and refused to walk home because her foot was cold. Literally refused to budge. I had to drag her because she wanted to be picked up by car - in the middle of a green park. She was perfectly capable of walking.

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Lyannaa · 19/02/2025 22:02

imtheholidayarmadillo · 19/02/2025 20:47

I may have missed a post here, but why on earth would an 8-year-old need her bottom wiping for her? I got the bit about possible SEN, but even in that scenario... she wouldn't get it wiped for her at school, surely? And I haven't seen anything about physical or other disabilities that could impact this?

She does sound like a troubled child which is a shame, but OP you're doing the right thing putting your DD first.

My now 15 year old needed her bottom wiped for her until she was about 9. She has dyspraxia.

She coped with it by making sure she never did a poo at school. And to this day, she doesn't like going outside the house.

outthereandbeyond · 19/02/2025 22:00

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Lyannaa · 19/02/2025 22:00

Calling an 8 year old a twat is horrible. Shame on you.

Maybe this child also has SEN?

You don't have to allow her to destroy your house though. Stop inviting her.

discdiscsnap · 19/02/2025 21:57

Stop doing the play dates as much. If she plays up tell her you will ring her mum to collect. If she doesn't stop call her parents.

Commonsenseisnotsocommon · 19/02/2025 21:25

This thread title- what a disgusting way to speak about a child.

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