The more and more racist comments are being allowed to stand on FB

@izimbra Basically, what you're saying is that trawnswomen are happy to breach women's boundaries and safe spaces and that if we have a problem with it, we should come up with a solution. We already did - single-sex spaces. They took them from us.

Oh, and I see what you're doing making it all about toilets when it's also about rape crisis centres and women's refuges.

How about transwomen police themselves and stay out of women's spaces? How about that?

yes, I often wonder why these people think we have single-sex spaces at all, or why they think someone changing their gender gives them access to opposite-sex spaces. Sex and gender are two different after all, right?

A lot of people are angry that they voted Brexit to control borders/immigration just to get more open borders and immigration.

Politicians have let them down. It doesn't excuse racism, but demographic change just post-2016 has been massive and it's made the country more divided.

You can censor people but you can't censor attitudes and thoughts.

The idea that transwomen "pass" is a myth. A myth started by transwomen and TRA's.

It's simply not true - most of the time we can all correctly sex 99.99% of people we encouter regardless of what they are wearing.

Good men stay out so bad men stand out.

@Upchuck

So how do you suggest all female spaces - changing rooms and toilets - be policed in order to exclude the possible presence of 0.3% of the population who are transgender women who might wish to use a female space?

Because they are female. But I think you know that.

Pass = deceive.

Most men who ID as trans can’t deceive others into thinking they are female.

Either way, any man who seeks to enter a female only space via deception is abusive and a predator. He knows he is somewhere he doesn’t belong and shouldn’t be.

Ask yourself why TRAs don’t campaign for more 3rd spaces alongside male and female ones.

Because they are female and females do not pose an additional risk to other women. Men do.

Well, they shouldn't be in there at all, no, even if they pass. Ideally, they would respect that and not enter our spaces, and some transwomen do use the male or gender neutral facilities out of respect, so I don't see why they all can't.

But, I don't know how we're supposed to stop them if they're so determined to breach our boundaries.

Why are transmen not a risk?

So basically just people who present a certain way. Trans people who pass will likely just continue to use whatever bathroom they feel most comfortable in and everybody else will be nonethewiser.

Zuckerberg got rid of the DEI programs so not surprising and will only get worse

Men are a risk. Transwomen in women's single-sex spaces are men and therefore a risk. Transmen are women and not a risk. Hope that helps.

The same way. If a man comes into a woman's single-ses space, we should be able to report them and have them removed. Of course, good men who care about women would continue not to do that in the first place. No genital inspections necessary if that's what you're getting about. I know the trans activists love to pretend that's what we want, but nope.

I’m sorry, safeguarding?

so trans people are a risk?

I said, they're arseholes, so obviously they're doing it to be dicks/get a rise out of people. they don't do it just to transpeople. They'll call a woman fat or ugly or say a man is stupid or whatever. I agree that's wrong. I just think, you can't make saying a man is a man hate speech because sometimes we need to be able to say that, even if they don't like or think they are. Some people are arseholes, doesn't mean it should be illegal.

@Upchuck

"Nope, not at all. In fact, I know they did, and it was never right."

So how do you suggest we police it now? Because you are asking for single sex spaces to be policed aren't you?

@Upchuck
"Yes, there are some people who are arseholes who will comment that someone is fat or ugly or actually a man when they are just posting about their crochet, but if we ban people being able to say you're a man to a man at all, then we have a problem."

I asked you why people repeatedly need to remind transgender people of their sex. What's the purpose? So when a transwoman is posting about crochet and there are dozens and dozens of 'You're a man' comments - why does that happen? What is it that those posters are doing? You didn't answer.

Can you answer that question?

Nope, not at all. In fact, I know they did, and it was never right. What I'm saying is, we didn't have to set up specific laws and procedures for dealing with it. If I was in the supermarket and a man came in, I could go and tell the security guard and they'd deal with it. These days, you're more likely to be told it's fine and if you don't like it you're a bigot, well if they identify as a woman, anyway. Safeguarding be damned.

@Upchuck

"We never had to police it in the past"

Are you making a case that transgender people never used single sex spaces that didn't correspond to their sex in the past?

How do you know?

Yes, there are some people who are arseholes who will comment that someone is fat or ugly or actually a man when they are just posting about their crochet, but if we ban people being able to say you're a man to a man at all, then we have a problem.

@Giggorata

“to try to ridicule and shame transgender women?” Not trying to do either. - how can facts be ridiculing or shaming?

If you go on to the social media accounts of transgender posters who are talking about, say crochet, or climate change, you'll see post after post just pointing out their biological sex. Nothing more to say. Just saying 'You're a man'. Or 'You're a woman'.

Why do you think people do this? What's the purpose of it?

We never had to police it in the past. People knew which spaces they should use, and if a man did come into female-only spaces, it was possible to alert someone and get them removed. Now, if you did that, there's a significant chance you'd be the one in trouble.

Also, toilets is kind of the least of it. We're also fighting for single-sex refuges, rape counselling, changing rooms, sports... You know that.

No, gender reassignment surgery doesn't change someone's sex. They are still male and they still offend at male rates (or higher), so that wouldn't make any difference.

Then, there's just the fact you can be accused of hate for stating the truth. It's a dark path we'll end up on if we continue down that route.

Do you have any more details of the evidence she gave in support of her claim?

What about if she had had gender reassignment surgery? Would this have made any difference to your opinion?

Personally the only time I've ever knowingly shared a single sex space with a transgender woman was when I went to see a one woman show featuring a transgender artist. There was a woman in the queue for the toilet who I suspected was transgender, though to be honest I avoided staring at her because she was just queueing for the loo and I didn't want to be intrusive, so I'm not entirely sure. I suspect my experience that transgender people have been nearly entirely absent in any single sex spaces I've ever been in is the norm for 99.9% of UK women, 99.9% of the time, which is why I'm staggered at the amount of emotional energy TERFS are devoting to this issue.

"It is deeply frustrating that women campaigning for the law that they have a right to single sex changing rooms to be enforced."

I'm definitely interested in how you feel this law should be enforced. Obviously in this case the doctor in question was known to her colleagues and can be prosecuted and have her career destroyed, so that would be a fair amount of disincentive to her using a female only space. But in general how would it work? How do you police female spaces to keep transwomen out of them? In the USA they've introduced a bill which requires everyone to use the single sex space that correspond with their sex, which would result in transgender men being required to use female spaces. What are your thoughts on the practicalities? How would it work in practice? Would I have the right to ask a manager to check the genitals of someone using the women's facilities at - say - my local swimming baths because I suspected they were transgender?