I never thought I'd see the US aligning with Russia

On the subject of Ukraine their interests align: neither of them wants the US to spend money defending it.

That doesn't mean that either the Ukrainians or the Europeans have to stop though. That's our choice to make.

Many Americans are unhappy about having to send financial aid to Ukraine .
I was in the US and was shocked by how many Americans ( of all races) disliked Zelenskyy and referred to him as a ‘beggar’.

It's been fascinating watching how this has been handled by the far right. An awful amount of time has been spent laughing at people who have pointed out what they're doing. It's been gaslighting on a grand scale.

The same thing happened during Brexit. Experts were ridiculed. Facts were ridiculed as project fear.

With the far right, they're desperately distancing themselves from fascism, going so far as to call the left fascist and saying that it no longer has any meaning.

They're sanitising their views and saying that they're only reasonable and rational and it's what the majority think. The Overton window has moved so far right that far right language is becoming mainstream.

"I'm not far right! I just want an ethnostate, remigration and to prevent the great replacement!"

@bigvig you might not support trump, but you certainly name call like him.

It’s this narrative that he’s putting his “country first” thats part of the problem. He isn’t .. he’s feeding the interests of a tiny minority, who will use this as a platform to get richer.

His country includes Black People, Hispanics, Sick People, Women, Native Americans, Farmers .. and multiple others, who are being chucked under a bus.

Also I am confused by people who are confused by this. He was exactly like this with Putin in his first term too.

Unsurprising. It’s Bro Culture. It’s not so much the US aligning with Russia as Trump aligning with Putin. They are both similar and like “strong man - beats chest” politics.

Bros sticking together.

You mean three mad men. I present to you President Musk
I honestly don’t what to say anymore . I am so confused

His “reasoning” is a fictional account of how the conflict started that seems to have been written by the Kremlin. I don’t think it’s normal service in terms of a new government setting out its priorities and the sooner we recognise that, the sooner we can stop it happening elsewhere.

It’s where each administration sees their priorities. As Trump has stated, he wants to concentrate on threats he views more serious to the US. He’s putting his county first regardless of whether people agree/disagree, he’s given his reasoning.

Trump imo is a narcissist, as is Putin. Both power hungry old men that want to be respected by their ‘people’. Some will adore them some will hate them.

It’s like a game of keep your friends close but your enemies closer. I do agree that this war won’t end without some kind of outside intervention and talks.

... And you see folks rushing to defend his unofficial VP Musk doing an actual Nazi salute (3 times) because he was just enthusiastic.

But populism. Alas.

It was no secret that Putin was just waiting for Trump to get back into power.

It's all about the money. And who do you think helped pay for all the bots and disinfo that helped elect him in the first place?

Reform are equally clearly under Russia’s influence so their voters couldn’t be less patriotic if they tried.

He was clearly under Putin’s influence during his first term so this shouldn’t have come as a surprise to anyone. Those who voted for it could and should have known what they were voting for.

Trump disgusts me afresh every day. YANBU.

I voted YABU.
Because the writing was on the tin.
From the Age da 25 to comments both from him to Musk. Or the way Mush meddled the elections (Remember the million dollar ‘lottery’?)
It was there in the way he reacted to him not being re-elected too.
Plus ofc, Russian interference has been right from the start. Incl currently with some ‘advisors’

Meanwhile he is now acting like you’d expect a supremacist to act. Loitering everything incl other countries (the so called agreement with Russia is basically an agreement for him to loiter all Ukrainian ressources). Expecting everyine to bow to him etc…

Maybe the U.K. should start wakening up and see what’s going on. Like meddling of Russia with Brexit, musk giving away huge sum to Farage etc etc…
Because the same is going yo happen here if we’re not careful.

The USA was always going to let Ukraine go once it had done its job of bloodying Putin's nose, but the scale, scope and speed that Trump is moving along with this is quite something to behold. Also has his trademark spiteful/petty language - he really is quite graceless.

But, cutting through the rhetoric ramping up all over the place here, this war does need to end and it was always going to mean giving up the Donbass. The Ukrainian fighters involved in that region have long been problematic - Ukraine took them on to the state army payroll for expediency but long term it's going to be protracted and nasty there whoever gets to nominally "win" the area.

YANBU @VolcanoJapan. The lies are coming thick and fast.

I'm not sure Trump will last 4 years. There are multiple protests in the US. Much of what he is trying to do is illegal or dangerous. Trump voter regret is spreading quicker than Covid.🙈

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c977njnvq2do.amp

I fear that Europe’s ability to tackle this terrifying threat is limited - the divisions were seen many years ago through Brexit 😢🤬. They are frightening men but many are cheering them on without really understanding what they’re doing.