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I never thought I'd see the US aligning with Russia

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VolcanoJapan · 19/02/2025 10:27

The US appear under Trump to be aligning with Putin and Russia more and more.

What was until recently referred to as our greatest allie is moving close to Russia in many ways, carving up Ukraine for Russia, trade deals with Russia.

It's bizarre.

Aibu to think it's bizarre or was this always coming when trump was elected?

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bluedelphiniums · 19/02/2025 13:02

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/02/2025 10:57

YANBU @VolcanoJapan. The lies are coming thick and fast.

I'm not sure Trump will last 4 years. There are multiple protests in the US. Much of what he is trying to do is illegal or dangerous. Trump voter regret is spreading quicker than Covid.🙈

A bit like Starmer voter regret....

NewHeaven · 19/02/2025 12:59

Trump is a big admirer of Putin, always has been so it's not a new thing nor shouldit be a surprise.

He likes to carve up smaller countries like Ukraine & Palestine and dish them out to his mates to make ££ off the back of them.

maximalistmaximus · 19/02/2025 12:55

Not bizarre at all.

They fought on the same side in both world wars.

Russia & USA have much more in common with each other than most of the rest of the world!

Goldengamer · 19/02/2025 12:53

Where does Trump stop? The US seems hellbent on taking everyone and everything over and has been trying for years. This is probably a post for another Topic but just an example , my DH and me were talking about how much American stuff is in our TV/Social media etc etc …. You go to look up something on YouTube and guarantee most are American . Makes me wonder if it’s the same in Countries like Germany/France/Spain . It annoys me when researching something I bought or looking for advice , the majority of Posts are American .
Don’t get me wrong , I’m not racist in the least and I have American relatives who I’ve visited on many occasions . But to me Americans are totally different to us apart from speaking English and that’s questionable 😉they have a completely different lifestyle. Are we all to become Americanised?

NDerbys32 · 19/02/2025 12:50

His previous term showed who he is
Jan 6th cemented it
He's a Russian asset. A useful idiot who's been played for years. Now it's MAGA and the GOP who are the useful idiots, now dangerous.
Russia is now reaping what they sowed.
Nothing should have been a surprise

username299 · 19/02/2025 12:48

HauntedBungalow · 19/02/2025 12:31

Ukraine couldn't outright join NATO because they were severely compromised by both internal and international corruption and by the type of fighters they were using on the border.

That's incorrect. Ukraine was pro Russia until relatively recently. When it showed signs of wanting to move closer to Europe, Russia took Crimea.

HauntedBungalow · 19/02/2025 12:47

Letstheriveranswer · 19/02/2025 12:45

It's all a bit George Orwell 1984-ish.
Countries being painted as enemies, then suddenly a different country is announced to be the enemy and the narrative is rewritten

That has always happened.

EmmaMaria · 19/02/2025 12:46

Clearinguptheclutter · 19/02/2025 12:37

My understand is that to change the actual constitution including the 4 year rule you need two thirds of both houses to agree. It doesn’t look likely that the republicans can get two thirds of the seats in both houses. At least not anytime soon.

My understanding is that you do not attempt to overthrow a democratic election by violence - apparently Trump doesn't agree with me. What on earth makes you think that he would play by the rules? He literally has an armed MAGA army behind him. Or did you think that all those right wing people with guns have armed themselves to go shooting ducks?

Letstheriveranswer · 19/02/2025 12:45

It's all a bit George Orwell 1984-ish.
Countries being painted as enemies, then suddenly a different country is announced to be the enemy and the narrative is rewritten

HauntedBungalow · 19/02/2025 12:45

Letstheriveranswer · 19/02/2025 12:44

It's extraordinary how quickly the narrative around Ukraine is being changed now to paint them as being the obstacle to peace who needs sidelining.

I never thought the Ukrainian government had been snow white in events in the years leading up to the war, but the fact remains Russia invaded and now Ukraine are being painted as somehow being awkward because they didn't agree to be invaded and have their territory stolen?

Like I said it stops people looking too closely at NATO.

Letstheriveranswer · 19/02/2025 12:44

It's extraordinary how quickly the narrative around Ukraine is being changed now to paint them as being the obstacle to peace who needs sidelining.

I never thought the Ukrainian government had been snow white in events in the years leading up to the war, but the fact remains Russia invaded and now Ukraine are being painted as somehow being awkward because they didn't agree to be invaded and have their territory stolen?

Catpuss66 · 19/02/2025 12:43

Always said this was going on, Farage was openly in league with Trump, surprised about Boris & Suella Baverman they kept that secret. The other one was piers Morgan AH.
I never understand Americans that supported him normal educated everyday people. He openly talks bullshit & they believe him I just don’t get it.

UnderHisEeyore · 19/02/2025 12:40

You honestly haven't seen the links, even though Trump was previously in office? Or that Russia paid for Brexit propaganda and has links to far right parties in almost every country?
Someone wasn't paying attention for the last decade.

Clearinguptheclutter · 19/02/2025 12:37

Roseshavethorns · 19/02/2025 12:26

This poster is spot on.
Even friends of Trump say there is no way he will just step down in 4 years time. He will just change the constitution to suit himself and the rest of the world will bend to his will terrified of the economic consequences.
I am truly scared. Every day it gets worse.

My understand is that to change the actual constitution including the 4 year rule you need two thirds of both houses to agree. It doesn’t look likely that the republicans can get two thirds of the seats in both houses. At least not anytime soon.

Lyn397 · 19/02/2025 12:33

They've got a lot in common - they're both narcissistic megalomaniacs.

HauntedBungalow · 19/02/2025 12:31

Ukraine couldn't outright join NATO because they were severely compromised by both internal and international corruption and by the type of fighters they were using on the border.

OhMargaret · 19/02/2025 12:31

PerkingFaintly · 19/02/2025 11:56

It's important to understand what the people behind Trump are up to. They'll use him while he's useful to them, but they don't have a high opinion of him.

This stuff's coming from the tech oligarchy, who've been dreaming of this for a while. Their idealogue is Curtis Yarvin, funded by Peter Thiel (who founded Palantir, the big-data company).

Silicon Valley Whistleblowers Warn Elon Musk ‘Hijacking’ Republicans to Control Entire US Government
Former followers of the ‘Dark Enlightenment’ say a planned ‘neo-reactionary’ hollowing out of government is happening in real time
https://bylinetimes.com/2025/02/07/silicon-valley-whistleblowers-warn-elon-musk-hijacking-republicans-to-control-entire-us-government/

and

The Billionaires’ Plot for Ending Democracy Is Already in Motion
The Butterfly Revolution: A Roadmap to Corporate Authoritarianism
https://thelostnerve.tumblr.com/post/775295725065125888/the-billionaires-plot-for-ending-democracy-is

I've edited out the name of a famous online payment system, as it seems to cause MN to automatically hide the post pending inspection, but from the second link:

[The memo says:] “Elon Musk’s unchecked consolidation of power over government infrastructure, financial systems, AI governance, and digital media does not serve the interests of the Trump administration or the broader conservative movement”, warns the memorandum. “While some may view Musk as a useful instrument in dismantling the bureaucratic state, in reality, his actions demonstrate that he is not working for Trump or the Republican Party, but rather for his own power and the broader neo-reactionary agenda.”
[...]
Musk, the memo warns, is moving rapidly to take control of the apparatus of US Government power on behalf of a core network of interests who subscribe to Yarvin’s ‘ Dark Enlightenment’ ideology. Other leaders in the US technology oligarchy aligned with Musk who subscribe to Yarvin’s ideas include Marc Andreessen (partner at venture-capital firm A16Z and author of the Techo-Optimist Manifesto), Balaji Srinivasan (former chief technology officer of Coinbase and author of the Network State), David Sacks (who co-founded [online payment system PP] with Peter Thiel), and of course Thiel himself.
[...]
The [whistleblowers'] memo points out that Curtis Yarvin has a vision for an “American Caesar”—a strong leader who would dismantle existing democratic institutions and centralize power, but argues that “Trump is no Caesar.”
Although Yarvin has recently, in light of the rapid dismantlement of key US Government agencies, endorsed Trump’s second term, his pro-Trump position still sees Trump as little more than a vessel and tool for the neo-reactionary movement. “Caesar was an Olympian. Trump should be on Ozempic”, Yarvin wrote.
[...]
The memo reveals that Musk’s actions fit alarmingly well with Yarvin’s prescriptions for how a Trump administration can be exploited by the neo-reactionary movement to install a new faction of elitist Silicon Valley technocrats at the helm of a hollowed-out US Government.
[...]
The whistleblowers conclude: “The hollowing out of government, the privatization of state functions, and the centralization of decision-making in unelected corporate-backed figures—once abstract concepts in Yarvin’s writings—who make a spectacle of the Presidency are now being tested at the highest levels of government.”

I'd add Nick Land's writing on the Dark Enlightenment:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

This stuff was fringe only a few years ago but seems to have gone mainstream very quickly.

username299 · 19/02/2025 12:29

HauntedBungalow · 19/02/2025 12:21

I agree that Ukraine was screwed over but not just by Putin - it's been used by both sides. NATO had personnel in Ukraine at the border and were hinting at moves to install missiles capable of reaching Russia.

That's Russia a country which remember has for over seventy years had nuclear weapons pointed at it by the only country in human history that has used atomic bombs - twice - on civilian populations, which is also a founding member of the same NATO making inroads in Ukraine.

There is no way that any Russian leader worth his salt would let that go. Ukraine administration must have known this - NATO certainly did, and was just waiting for Putin to escalate even slightly - if you remember it was NATO and EU that stated all out war had started after eight years of fighting.

Ukraine obviously didn't think so because they gave up their weapons and didn't join NATO.

Anyway we've been commanded by our orange overlord to lift all sanctions on Russia.

Roseshavethorns · 19/02/2025 12:26

ExtraOnions · 19/02/2025 10:36

Stalin and Hitler all over again .. and history tells us how that one ends.

Trump actively despises “western values”, hence him banning books, talk about arresting journalists, accessing sensitive information on “enemies of state” (in this case people who prosecuted those who took part in insurrection), nationalistic ferver, removing any people who are in a position to hold them to account (DOGEs current job)

There is a great podcast on Dictators, and they talk about the “Dictators Playbook”, and that is what Trump is executing.

I guess his ultimate step will be changes to the Constitution, so he stays in power forever.

And I fully expect to see political prisoners.

This poster is spot on.
Even friends of Trump say there is no way he will just step down in 4 years time. He will just change the constitution to suit himself and the rest of the world will bend to his will terrified of the economic consequences.
I am truly scared. Every day it gets worse.

HauntedBungalow · 19/02/2025 12:21

username299 · 19/02/2025 12:11

He's on our doorstep and stepping up his aggression. We all know he's a brutal dictator and Russia is devoid of human rights. His opponents are clumsy around windows.

However, invading Ukraine is a major escalation which is why we were meant to be on Ukraine's side. Ukraine was completely screwed over by everyone.

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I agree that Ukraine was screwed over but not just by Putin - it's been used by both sides. NATO had personnel in Ukraine at the border and were hinting at moves to install missiles capable of reaching Russia.

That's Russia a country which remember has for over seventy years had nuclear weapons pointed at it by the only country in human history that has used atomic bombs - twice - on civilian populations, which is also a founding member of the same NATO making inroads in Ukraine.

There is no way that any Russian leader worth his salt would let that go. Ukraine administration must have known this - NATO certainly did, and was just waiting for Putin to escalate even slightly - if you remember it was NATO and EU that stated all out war had started after eight years of fighting.

izimbra · 19/02/2025 12:21

@Clearinguptheclutter
"is it though? my impression is that he's doing exactly what he said he would.I think the MAGA crowd is delighted."

That's MAGA propaganda.

He said he knew nothing about Project 2025. It's clear from the first few weeks of his presidency that he's closely aligned with the 2025 agenda.
He said he'd bring prices down - he can't.
He's said he would 'make America healthy again' and is now trashing the institutions responsible for monitoring and regulating industry, while also destroying the wellbeing of hundreds of thousands of federal employees - those who've been sacked as well as those who now live in fear of it.

Peripop · 19/02/2025 12:15

Trump loves power, and not neutered power through winning elections and following laws and conventions, true power where you just do what you want because you're the best - dog eat dog - so of course putin, kim jong un etc are his more natural bedfellows than starmer etc

username299 · 19/02/2025 12:11

HauntedBungalow · 19/02/2025 12:05

He was always dangerous and brazen. That's how come he managed to get a grip on Russia after drunk Yeltsin left it in chaos.

And he was useful to us for that reason, because once Russia was turning a profit, everyone benefited. During that time his administration was responsible for many atrocities but no one batted an eyelid, really. What turned the tables for him was squaring up to NATO via Ukraine as proxy. This showed him to be getting too big for his boots as far as USA was concerned and where USA went other NATO followed.

Support for Ukraine may have been couched in ideological terms - all modern wars are spoken about in ideological terms because they all involve huge amounts of civilian losses and they would otherwise be unpalatable - but war and alliances are always about money and power.

He's on our doorstep and stepping up his aggression. We all know he's a brutal dictator and Russia is devoid of human rights. His opponents are clumsy around windows.

However, invading Ukraine is a major escalation which is why we were meant to be on Ukraine's side. Ukraine was completely screwed over by everyone.

Clearinguptheclutter · 19/02/2025 12:08

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/02/2025 10:57

YANBU @VolcanoJapan. The lies are coming thick and fast.

I'm not sure Trump will last 4 years. There are multiple protests in the US. Much of what he is trying to do is illegal or dangerous. Trump voter regret is spreading quicker than Covid.🙈

is it though? my impression is that he's doing exactly what he said he would.I think the MAGA crowd is delighted.

whatonearthisgoingonnow · 19/02/2025 12:07

I think that Trump and Putin had a secret agreement, which is why Trump is looking pathetic giving Putin everything he wants without asking for anything in return.

I hate Trump but I saw him as a strong and dominant leader, now he's just under Putin's thumb as his puppet and lost all credibility as well as his reputation as a supposed master dealer. It's just sad really.

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