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Just been sacked for the first time ever after a funeral

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PrueD · 19/02/2025 09:33

On Monday I was at a funeral and yesterday I was off on compassionate leave. When I returned today the director sacked me. Been there 9 months.

Before now, I hadn’t been made aware of any issues in my one to ones, the last one being a week and a half ago. I had told my manager a month ago about my terminally ill relative. It was harder to work at my usual capacity at this time but I was still doing a good job on important projects. The main problem I had was they kept piling on more work on top of existing work.

I said I would’ve liked the chance to address any issues and they said they don’t have capacity to support and that’s it. I’m in shock, having an awful week as it is.

OP posts:
Trainingfairy · 24/02/2025 17:05

PrueD · 24/02/2025 16:06

I wonder if I say I had completed two successful projects and my manager had left/restructure, so all in all it seemed a good time to move on.

I wouldn't mention anything about the manager as it could suggest that you don't stick around if things change - which they do. If I was the recruiter I'd be interested in "completed two successful projects" but not so impressed with "my manager had left/restructure" which suggests that you aren't open to change.
Massive assumptions of course, but sometimes recruiters draw conclusions from innocent remarks.

Trainingfairy · 24/02/2025 17:01

PrueD · 24/02/2025 16:04

@Trainingfairy I want to have a reason ready because I tend to be asked ‘why are you leaving your current job?’

So, say I go for the I successfully completed 2 projects angle like you recommend. What then? Won’t they want to know why I don’t want to keep completing projects at that organisation and why I’m now moving on?

Good question @PrueD and you can turn this to your advantage!
Say as a result of completing those two projects you realised that you had learned a great deal about successfully managing projects and that has now given you an appetite for further increasing your skills and continuous improvement. Your current company is unable to ensure that you will be assigned to similar opportunities and you've decided this is the time for you to develop your skills further which has led to seeking other similar job opportunities and would be open to formal development if it was available.
No need to comment any further about anything else at your current company; stick to the continuous improvement and career development theme.
Good luck!

PrueD · 24/02/2025 16:06

I wonder if I say I had completed two successful projects and my manager had left/restructure, so all in all it seemed a good time to move on.

OP posts:
PrueD · 24/02/2025 16:04

@Trainingfairy I want to have a reason ready because I tend to be asked ‘why are you leaving your current job?’

So, say I go for the I successfully completed 2 projects angle like you recommend. What then? Won’t they want to know why I don’t want to keep completing projects at that organisation and why I’m now moving on?

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Inkystain · 24/02/2025 15:53

I hear “not good culture fit”

I think “trouble”

Inkystain · 24/02/2025 15:51

PrueD · 24/02/2025 10:18

@Tulipsandaffodils to address this -

I was working on all my projects to the same capacity and successfully delivered a project 3 days before I was let go. However, on the week my gran died, they added two additional projects to my workload that week.

The timesheets were mostly up to date, with a few gaps. All of this only in the time period of the last few weeks, I had been diligent before this. I spoke to the manager then about how I was feeling, she said she understood, not to worry and just focus on keeping everything up to date going forward which I did.

As for the director, he has a go that I came in at 9.30 rather than 9am even though my own manager told me it was fine to come in at that flexible time because I lived in another city.

The director himself praised my work during the Christmas review to the team. I was still doing good work this last month but just wasn’t at 100% due to personal circumstance and that wasn’t good enough.

Edited

Quite clearly op…. The impression you initially gave the thread that there was categorically absolutely NO issues ever, is quite patently inaccurate

Trainingfairy · 24/02/2025 14:34

I'd definitely go for the "successfully delivered 2 projects" approach. Recruiters will always look for potential "good hires" ie employees who get the job done, right attitude, and look like they will fit in with the company culture. Unkind as it may sound, given the choice between two candidates, they may read more into "not a good culture fit" as that can mean so many things. Good candidates often get sifted out of a pile of job applications because the recruiter is looking for best fit and if they have a good choice of applicants, they may home in on anything that they deem to be a block/red flag/concern - whatever you want to call it.
HOWEVER! If you get shortlisted and invited for interview it's much easier to have that conversation face to face and be more clear about what you value in an employer as well as what you bring too.
As far as job seeking is concerned, some candidates are unconcerned about company culture and will just go for job fit/good package etc. I'm guessing that cultural fit and how the potential employer treats their employees is important to you, perhaps more so now than in the past. In which case, do your research about organisations; look at their website and see if they have their company values there - what are they telling you? Do they mirror your values? Also check out Glassdoor where employees leave feedback (both good and bad) about organisations which can prove useful, but only that, not necessarily the full story!
Good luck, in the future you will look back and realise that things often happen for a reason.

mitogoshigg · 24/02/2025 13:06

I really wouldn't work out an excuse. If pressed at interview just say there was restructuring going on.

EBearhug · 24/02/2025 12:40

I would just focus on having successfully delivered 2 projects, and left after the latter one was completed.

PrueD · 24/02/2025 10:43

LameBorzoi · 24/02/2025 10:29

The "issues" sound like standard workplace stuff to me.

I wouldn't work for a firm that wouldn't cut someone a little slack around a funeral.

@LameBorzoi thank you.

on the compassionate leave point, I wouldn’t sound angry about it, just matter of fact.

I suppose I’d rather say something that feels honest and true to my experience. But I won’t say it if it’s not the best thing.

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fiorentina · 24/02/2025 10:36

Honestly if a future employer likes you and your skills they won’t be overly focused on this. You worked there, successfully completed two projects but it wasn’t a good cultural fit and the manager who employed you moved on so you’re looking for a new role.
And then talk about what you’re seeking in a new role, challenging projects, personal development and a good culture in the workplace.
Channel your frustration and anger into something great. You aren’t ’letting them get away with it’ - you’re focusing on yourself and your own well being and future success. Good luck!

LameBorzoi · 24/02/2025 10:35

PrueD · 24/02/2025 10:29

I’ve been too upset to do anything about this and mostly focused on seeing family and friends this weekend. I’m not going to pursue it because although they should’ve had to folllow procedure and didn’t, it is less than 2 years and I’ll get nowhere.

But what is the best excuse to new employers when asked?

  • after returning from a period of compassionate, they said they were letting me go. Also my manager had gone on maternity leave so change of management and structure.
  • fixed term contract to deliver x2 projects
  • not a good culture fit and manager had left

what is going to sound best?

The part about compassionate leave and my manager leaving feels most honest and closest to the truth but I’d like others opinions about what to say.

Be careful.about sounding too defensive. The compassionate leave could easily drift there.

LameBorzoi · 24/02/2025 10:29

The "issues" sound like standard workplace stuff to me.

I wouldn't work for a firm that wouldn't cut someone a little slack around a funeral.

PrueD · 24/02/2025 10:29

I’ve been too upset to do anything about this and mostly focused on seeing family and friends this weekend. I’m not going to pursue it because although they should’ve had to folllow procedure and didn’t, it is less than 2 years and I’ll get nowhere.

But what is the best excuse to new employers when asked?

  • after returning from a period of compassionate, they said they were letting me go. Also my manager had gone on maternity leave so change of management and structure.
  • fixed term contract to deliver x2 projects
  • not a good culture fit and manager had left

what is going to sound best?

The part about compassionate leave and my manager leaving feels most honest and closest to the truth but I’d like others opinions about what to say.

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PrueD · 24/02/2025 10:18

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@Tulipsandaffodils to address this -

I was working on all my projects to the same capacity and successfully delivered a project 3 days before I was let go. However, on the week my gran died, they added two additional projects to my workload that week.

The timesheets were mostly up to date, with a few gaps. All of this only in the time period of the last few weeks, I had been diligent before this. I spoke to the manager then about how I was feeling, she said she understood, not to worry and just focus on keeping everything up to date going forward which I did.

As for the director, he has a go that I came in at 9.30 rather than 9am even though my own manager told me it was fine to come in at that flexible time because I lived in another city.

The director himself praised my work during the Christmas review to the team. I was still doing good work this last month but just wasn’t at 100% due to personal circumstance and that wasn’t good enough.

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Tulipsandaffodils · 24/02/2025 09:05

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Thoughtfullythorough · 24/02/2025 06:27

Othermentions · 21/02/2025 14:33

I have just read entire thread

it’s gone from no issues at all to

a director having a go at the Op for supposedly being half hour late

a client complaining about the OP

*One issue was raised shortly after my gran died - that I hadn’t kept my timesheets as up to date as they should be in recent weeks. I

the op says that hasn’t been working full capacity for last month

and then a conversation about how the op felt she had too much work

all within a few months

Yes, I’ve read the thread and the drip drip of little “issues” would indicate the OP doesn’t have a leg to stand on

MustWeDoThis · 23/02/2025 14:51

PrueD · 21/02/2025 12:17

Hi all, I phoned ACAS. They confirmed I can’t go for unfair dismissal as I’ve been there less than 2 years,

They said I could appeal ( I won’t) or raise a grievance. I can’t stand that they are just getting away with this so it is tempting. She recommended asking for details on this ‘thorough review of performance’ and also thought there may be something in their timing re compassionate leave.

But I don’t want to spend all my time on a grievance as well as the job search etc. But maybe that’s what employers like this rely on. It’s horrible feeling powerless.

OK!

This is going to sound harsh, but doubt nothing just makes you complicit in their behaviour and an enabler. They could go on to do this to someone else if they are not nipped in the bud.

Get angry, OP. Get your husband to write the grievance for you and reference legal jargon etc. Leave no loophole for them. Let him take them to court and wipe the floor with them.

Whether ACAS agree or not - This is unfair dismissal. They've not followed workers rights round defend themselves and go through the motions of a warning first etc. They took that right from you. What if they do this to other women!?

AuntAgathaGregson · 23/02/2025 08:32

Could the company be in financial difficulties? A friend of mine was sacked for very artificial reasons and discovered later from colleagues that the employers were really struggling and manufacturing reasons to ask people to avoid paying redundancy.

Worriedatwork1 · 23/02/2025 08:24

I’m really sorry, as you’ll now be aware, you can be dismissed without a reason under 2 years and I’ve known companies do it for all sorts of reasons - including cost cutting/face not fitting etc. I had a friend who was sacked the day she submitted a fit note by a care company after a challenging adult she was working with broke her wrist!!

it’s an awful way to treat people, but I would just focus on getting your annual leave and notice paid and once settled elsewhere let people know what they are like. When asked why you left you can say something like “ our values didn’t align” in applications and then explain at interview that you weren’t treated well and your contract was ended without any real reason. Most companies only give a very basic reference now and don’t give a reason for leaving, however you could check with the HR team and if you do decide to appeal this could be something you ask for as part of your outcome (a basic reference which doesn’t confirm reason for leaving)

AngelicKaty · 23/02/2025 04:51

Othermentions · 22/02/2025 15:00

my 9 year old said almost word for word this morning re an argument with his younger sibling @AngelicKaty

And it's clear where your 9 year old gets it from. 😂

Othermentions · 22/02/2025 15:00

my 9 year old said almost word for word this morning re an argument with his younger sibling @AngelicKaty

AngelicKaty · 22/02/2025 14:56

Othermentions · 22/02/2025 14:50

Dog. Bone. @AngelicKaty

Only because she keeps coming back at me and can't admit she got it wrong. When she stops, I will.

Othermentions · 22/02/2025 14:50

Dog. Bone. @AngelicKaty

AngelicKaty · 22/02/2025 14:46

Trainingfairy · 21/02/2025 18:23

Deeply grateful to you @AngelicKaty 😀😇

Moving on....... 🙄

Yeah, moving on so you can side-step my question: "So why did you write "if"? (She doesn't have to ask "if" they will pay her PILON, politely or otherwise!). You could have just said you actually didn't know when you made that mistake. 🙄